SawStop, stops on contact with skin is coming to Europe soon!

[AJB Temple]

Manufacturers try to maximise profits shock.

 

[Inspector]

Chipmonk you said "They claimed and fought dozens of patents to ensure the barrier for entry was high and blocked the US market, making it more difficult and less financially sensible for other companies to bring products to market."

Given all the manufacturers rejected licensing the system flat out when it was offered to them, they went making the machines themselves. Not an inexpensive undertaking. Blocking others by enforcing their patents is not wrong and the whole point of the patent system. Big Pharma make SawStop look like amatures.

Now as for the added cost of a SawStop compared to any other table saw in the same class. People keep forgetting in addition to the brake cartridge and associated electrics and electronics the mechanical parts are much more robust and complicated (more parts and of greater precision) than a regular saw which add to the cost. I know because I have had mine since shortly after they were first offered in Canada and I can see and compare it to my earlier saw. It must be kept in mind that just because they look similar to other saws on the outside, it doesn't mean the should cost the same.

You are entitled to your rant but I think getting mad over advertising doesn't add up given the number of companies that have lied about their products that were known to be very harmful to us. The tobacco industry for example.

In time the cost will come down. Until they do lets toss all our push sticks into a big pile at Jacob's place and play a game of pickup sticks.

Pete

 

[Chipmonk]

Chipmonk you said "They claimed and fought dozens of patents to ensure the barrier for entry was high and blocked the US market, making it more difficult and less financially sensible for other companies to bring products to market."

Given all the manufacturers rejected licensing the system flat out when it was offered to them, they went making the machines themselves. Not an inexpensive undertaking. Blocking others by enforcing their patents is not wrong and the whole point of the patent system. Big Pharma make SawStop look like amatures.

Now as for the added cost of a SawStop compared to any other table saw in the same class. People keep forgetting in addition to the brake cartridge and associated electrics and electronics the mechanical parts are much more robust and complicated (more parts and of greater precision) than a regular saw which add to the cost. I know because I have had mine since shortly after they were first offered in Canada and I can see and compare it to my earlier saw. It must be kept in mind that just because they look similar to other saws on the outside, it doesn't mean the should cost the same.

You are entitled to your rant but I think getting mad over advertising doesn't add up given the number of companies that have lied about their products that were known to be very harmful to us. The tobacco industry for example.

In time the cost will come down. Until they do lets toss all our push sticks into a big pile at Jacob's place and play a game of pickup sticks.

Pete

Thanks, good points well made.

I'm not really mad about the advertising, as much as the decades long lack of consideration of the fact that this is a life-saving technology that should be used as a pawn in corporate games of greed and power. The tagline about safety first was just unacceptable to me.

I know, as the genius comic said above: "company wants to make profit shock!", but if we continue to accept being treated like this, we always will. When your kid loses their fingers, you'll feel different, trust me.

 

[Inspector]

Given I have the saw, probably because I never sired any sprogs and could afford it, any using it will be able to give me the finger when I deserve it.

Be safe
Pete

 

[Sideways]

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a hater, but they used the phrase "Your safety is our top priority". That's a flat-out shameless lie.

Of course it is. Pure marketing b*ll*cks.
Actually, I wonder what view the Advertising Standards Agency would take of a pitch like that ?

 

[TRITON]

Ok.
Been trying to choose between the CTS and the jobsite pro models, both for me have their pluses and minuses, especially in a small workshop like my current one.

The CTS is good, because it is small and easy to move about, but i might have probs in finding somewhere for it to live when not in use, so I might have to make up a wheeled unit for it to live on, which is going to impact on valuable space.
The jobsite pro is also obviously going to need somewhere to live, but I like the folding stand it comes with, so it can tuck against a wall when not in use and even at that it's going to take up less space than the CTS sitting on a wheeled unit.
Chances are neither is going to leave the confines of the workshop. And Im not going to be processing pull sheets through the saw, probably better with getting split boards(2400x610)

I've been leaning towards the jobsite pro, basically for the built in stand, but this option I've found on You Tube might be a solution and would allow be to get the smaller lighter CTS

It incorporates a router table but I could swop that out for a benchdog MFT.

In my initial thinking i was intending to make the MFT, plus the wheeled stand for the saw, but this kind of affords me the best of both worlds, and I can adapt the design for smaller/larger/wider with fold up sections. Plus it gives me room underneath for powertool cases, drawers etc

Anyone any other plans or workbenches they've designed/built that incorporates a small saw table ? Love to see them as im great at plagiarizing other peoples stuff


I've no interest in anyone's argument about the merits or philosophy of buying sawstop. Far as im concerned I'll be buying one, and that is that.