That’s is unfortunately the wrong question. One side is fighting a holly war a Jihad, there is no logic, or indeed rational when your motive is a belief founded on a hope to become a martyr and go to paradise. The other side is fighting for the right to exist, to avoid being exterminated, a genocide. Now the last genocide is still a memory for some, a thing that probably tainted and affected just about every Jew living in Israel, so the motivation and knowledge of what happens is very tangible and real. It has not been a question of making money.
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selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
Sorry, I disagree. With the military/industrial complex it is always about making money.
Patriotism, nationalism, racism, sectarianism, religion, xenophobia, and all the other isms - they are all simply convenient catalysts.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Nonsense. They are fighting to stay on their own land, in their own houses, to carry on farming etc and living a normal life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank
You really do need a history lesson.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
This might help: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/jihad_4579jsp/
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
Established Member
Jacob, you are right. There you go. Does that make you happy 
Right about what? Does it matter? Whatever someone will suggest, you will take an opposing view. How long have we known each other ... 20 years? Neo-Luddite, indeed! Ordinarily I would suggest that you broaden your selective reading but you and I know that will not happen.
Regards from Perth
Derek
Right about what? Does it matter? Whatever someone will suggest, you will take an opposing view. How long have we known each other ... 20 years? Neo-Luddite, indeed! Ordinarily I would suggest that you broaden your selective reading but you and I know that will not happen.Regards from Perth
Derek
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
20 years - seems longer!Jacob, you are right. There you go. Does that make you happy
Regards from Perth
Derek
What did you think of the Omer Bartov article Derek?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov
best wishes from darkest Derbyshire!
AJB Temple
Finely figured
If we all just accepted that there is no god, then we would have no excuse for religious division. We would not need churches, mosques, prayers or religious leaders and would save a lot of angst. It would not stop humans worrying about what happens when we die, or falling out over territory though. We are doomed.
These justifications for war, with a religious component often, remind me of a Ricky Gervais line (though others have said similar before):
"Next time someone tells me they believe in God, I'll say 'Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?...' If they say 'Just God. I only believe in the one God,' I'll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don't believe in 2,870 gods, and they don't believe in 2,869."
These justifications for war, with a religious component often, remind me of a Ricky Gervais line (though others have said similar before):
"Next time someone tells me they believe in God, I'll say 'Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?...' If they say 'Just God. I only believe in the one God,' I'll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don't believe in 2,870 gods, and they don't believe in 2,869."
Israel has made many enemies as they have tried to expand, ignore international law and land grab, at some point someone will make Israel look like Pompeii and that will be the final resolution for all the middle east problems.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
With respect Roy I think your comment demonstrates why this topic isn't one for a bunch of keyboard warriors on a woodworking website.
I'm sure you don't mean to say that resolution will only come from Israel being nuked but that's how it can easily be interpreted.
All sides need levelling up, just like in a boxing match where you don't have heavyweights fighting less weights so bringing Israel down to a level where they don't have the overwhelming superiority to kill civilians at will. This means stopping all military aid and giving them a good hard slap so they know what living in piles of rubble is like and then maybe they will get rid of nu nu and start talking long term peace.
You have to ask
Terry - Somerset
Established Member
I agree - but there are two alternative futures:
- accepting there is no realistic end likely consigning those involved to perpetual conflict
- seeking peaceful resolution despite the low probability of success
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
With respect Roy I think your comment demonstrates why this topic isn't one for a bunch of keyboard warriors on a woodworking website.
I'm sure you don't mean to say that the solution is to bomb Israel but that's how it can easily be interpreted
selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
Amen to that.
As do a number of posts above.
