Exploding Pagers - Lebanon

[spanner48]

Agreed

 

[TRITON]

However, what I don’t see is Egypt equally accused of war crimes for blocking aid along with Isreal?

Sorry, not following this. How is Egypt blocking aid ?

 

[Billy_wizz]

Sorry, not following this. How is Egypt blocking aid ?

If I remember correctly they refused to open the gates on there boarder with Palestine for aid to get through!

 

[Jacob]

https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/blog/why-i-hate-zionism-and-its-backers-more-than-ever

 

[Stanleymonkey]

Nonsense. Evidence ?

Is the times of Israel okay with you?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...hat-includes-west-bank-and-gaza-at-un-speech/

It is the stated aim of his party for Israel to occupy all the lands.

 

[AJB Temple]

Israel vs Palestine is a conflict with no realistic end. It's a war and so both sides do bad things and then defend it and blame the other. People seem to find it very polarising, hence there is no middle ground, thus internet debate is just as extreme as the actual conflict. We are in the UK and it's not our war. It is not our business as we are no longer a global power.

 

[Stanleymonkey]

If I remember correctly they refused to open the gates on there boarder with Palestine for aid to get through!

Palestinians trying to reach that gate were targetted by the Israeli Air Force. The road was bombed intentionally. It may have been a decision forced upon them to close their borders at some points.

 

[TRITON]

If I remember correctly they refused to open the gates on there boarder with Palestine for aid to get through!

When it comes to borders, its where its going that has the yay or nay decision. So if it was coming from Israel, Egypt could refuse, in which case it doesnt matter how insistent israel is, it stays put, but in this case of aid going into israel, it is israel that can deny entry.
Thats usually the case of how they work, but i would think that both sides need an agreement on who manages it.
The crossing was seized by Israel in 2024 during the Rafah offensive. In reply Egypt closed off the crossing and rejected an Israeli proposal to coordinate the reopening of the Rafah border crossing insisting that the crossing should be managed only by Palestinian authorities.

But im not sure 100% that Egypt were the ones refusing to allow aid across, as thats one of the things israel has been accused of preventing.

Just to add a bit of levity to all this.

Two countries on semi friendly terms have made the interaction between each side a bit of a show. You probably know about the Pakistan/Indian border guards at the Attari-Wagah border, but for those who aren't, its quite a show. Each trying to outdo the other with their exaggerated moves

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

A lovely video about the exploding pagers. Watch it all, but the best part is at 5:15 ..



Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Chris152]

A lovely video about the exploding pagers. Watch it all, but the best part is at 5:15 ..



Regards from Perth

Derek

I think it's time the thread went into the padded cell.

 

[deema]

Lebanon / Hezbolla has now declared that nobody in the world is safe against their terrorist arracks. Just wonderful. Another Muslim terrorist organisation running around blowing themselves and loads of innocent civilians up. I’m sure the anti Israeli supporters will see it as totally justified. Instead we we should all be supporting Isreal eliminating the terrorist organisations.

 

[danst96]

Lebanon / Hezbolla has now declared that nobody in the world is safe against their terrorist arracks. Just wonderful. Another Muslim terrorist organisation running around blowing themselves and loads of innocent civilians up. I’m sure the anti Israeli supporters will see it as totally justified. Instead we we should all be supporting Isreal eliminating the terrorist organisations.

Unfortunately deema, too many people have been blinded by an anti Israel propaganda train to see your pov. I'm with you though

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Unfortunately deema, too many people have been blinded by an anti Israel propaganda train to see your pov. I'm with you though

The UN thinking goes like this: it is illegal (for Israel) to use booby trapped devices on civilians (the bystanders), despite the clear fact that the targets were very directed - importantly ignoring that Hezbollah are a terrorist, military organisation engaged in an illegal action. So what about the fact that Hezbollah, a nonstate armed group supported by Iran, has no right to use violence of any kind, let alone missile strikes targeting civilians in northern Israel?

Under international law, a nonstate actor gains the right to fight only if it is associated with a regular armed force of a sovereign state involved in armed conflict hostilities. And that is not the case with Hezbollah in Lebanon (or Hamas in Gaza). This means each Hezbollah missile constitutes the commission of a serious crime. So why has the UN not acted on this?

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Scruples]

The UN thinking goes like this: it is illegal (for Israel) to use booby trapped devices on civilians (the bystanders), despite the clear fact that the targets were very directed - importantly ignoring that Hezbollah are a terrorist, military organisation engaged in an illegal action. So what about the fact that Hezbollah, a nonstate armed group supported by Iran, has no right to use violence of any kind, let alone missile strikes targeting civilians in northern Israel?

Under international law, a nonstate actor gains the right to fight only if it is associated with a regular armed force of a sovereign state involved in armed conflict hostilities. And that is not the case with Hezbollah in Lebanon (or Hamas in Gaza). This means each Hezbollah missile constitutes the commission of a serious crime. So why has the UN not acted on this?

Regards from Perth

Derek

The UN sees the actions of the Israelis and holds back. Generally, it seems that the Palestinians have a lot of support from the world, but not from the governments, from the people. We know that there are few western governments that will criticise, or sanction, Israel.
But, putting aside all humanitarian idealogy, it is fair to say that while the tribal bickering goes on, the West is safer.

 

[DavidConnelly]

The question I would ask of all wars is:
Who is making money from it in the long term?

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Another video of relevance in the issue of bias:





Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Jacob]

Israel vs Palestine is a conflict with no realistic end.

Comparisons are odious, as the saying goes, but Israeli actions are often compared to Nazi Germany, with the holocaust and genocidal attacks on Russia, basically motivated by self-righteous belief in their own total superiority and entitlement, against hordes of "untermenschen".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov
Millions died, it failed, with Germany utterly defeated, in scenes of utter destruction all around.
Only 45 years later Germany had become a humanitarian beacon of civilisation and prosperity, with the collapse of the Berlin wall amongst other things.
Who would have foreseen that?
https://www.welcometopalestine.com/...partheid-wall-separation-west-bank-palestine/

...... We are in the UK and it's not our war. It is not our business as we are no longer a global power.

It is our war as we are supplying arms and we are still a global power. Even if we were not that would be no excuse for supporting genocide against the Palestinians and allowing Israel to drag us towards a major war in the middle east.

 

[Jacob]

The question I would ask of all wars is:
Who is making money from it in the long term?

American and Israeli arms industry, and their subsidiaries around the globe including in UK

 

[cerro]

Geez, all the pussy cat cat footing around discussing a UK government defined terrorist group. What is all the ‘without taking sides’? To me it’s like saying your not taking sides discussing a convicted child molester, or the Nazis, there is only one morale stand point.

That has been baffling me as well Having been to every desert country out there including Afganistan and Parkistan I do take sides So I stand up and can be counted

 

[cerro]

But you are ignoring the previous 75 years of history of brutality and apartheid by Israelis against Palestinians and that Gaza was effectively a very large prison camp, mainly containing Palestinians forcefully evicted from their land and their homes.
Might as well drop out of this thread now as it is obviously going nowhere.

Jacob , If you only understood that God was an Astronaut an told your friends all Muslim wars would stop