Chisel primary bevel sharpening.

[Zeddedhed]

D_W we are all different and have different abilitys, some older people with physical problems need or want to use a jig others just like to use them, why try and stop them?
Lets let the jig users use them if they want to, not ridicule them, may be they will sharpen freehand one day or not, it's up to them.
Don't be a dictator, its just sharpening, as long as its sharp who cares how it got there.

Pete

Well said. I use jigs (sometimes) and don't really care if anyone else thinks I shouldn't. What I do care about is that it becomes a bit nerve racking when you want to ask a jig related question. It's highly likely that if I asked whether people who use one could recommend for example the Veritas Camber Roller for the MkII I'd get no useful answers, just a load of evangelists (or utter arseholes) telling me to go freehand.

So I don't ask. Surely thats not the way this forum is meant to be?

 

[D_W]

D_W we are all different and have different abilitys, some older people with physical problems need or want to use a jig others just like to use them, why try and stop them?
Lets let the jig users use them if they want to, not ridicule them, may be they will sharpen freehand one day or not, it's up to them.
Don't be a dictator, its just sharpening, as long as its sharp who cares how it got there.

Pete

Well said. I use jigs (sometimes) and don't really care if anyone else thinks I shouldn't. What I do care about is that it becomes a bit nerve racking when you want to ask a jig related question. It's highly likely that if I asked whether people who use one could recommend for example the Veritas Camber Roller for the MkII I'd get no useful answers, just a load of evangelists (or utter pineapples) telling me to go freehand.

So I don't ask. Surely thats not the way this forum is meant to be?

I think it's perfectly fine to ask a question and state that you'd like not to have responses to anything other than the question. If someone tells me that they only use a jig because they absolutely can't do freehand (or in some cases, i"ve had people tell me they have physical limitations ...or that they use a plane only to smooth stuff and they are primarily power tool - it'll never matter).

But if someone says "I want to build furniture, and learn to carve, and use moulding planes...but I can't sharpen free hand".

Uh, you might want to rethink that and stick with table saws and routers and such, because life will be difficult with the gadgetry.

Something like "I'm never going to sharpen enough to warrant the time savings of freehand" should keep the questioners at bay.

(and even I tried the cambered wheel veritas once a long while ago...perhaps when it first came out and I was still using some power tools and bought into the "accuracy of a guide" nonsense).

 

[Jacob]

... just a load of evangelists (or utter pineapples) telling me to go freehand.

So I don't ask. Surely thats not the way this forum is meant to be?

Unfortunately the solution to many jig problems is stop using the jig.
It's as if someone asks how to cure a headache but doesn't like the simple obvious answer i.e. stop banging your head against the wall

 

[Jacob]

Did Jesus use a honing guide?

It'd be a miracle if you could use that as a jig, my boy:

I told him - should have been using a push stick:

 

[mouppe]

D_W we are all different and have different abilitys, some older people with physical problems need or want to use a jig others just like to use them, why try and stop them?
Lets let the jig users use them if they want to, not ridicule them, may be they will sharpen freehand one day or not, it's up to them.
Don't be a dictator, its just sharpening, as long as its sharp who cares how it got there.

Pete

Well said. I use jigs (sometimes) and don't really care if anyone else thinks I shouldn't. What I do care about is that it becomes a bit nerve racking when you want to ask a jig related question. It's highly likely that if I asked whether people who use one could recommend for example the Veritas Camber Roller for the MkII I'd get no useful answers, just a load of evangelists (or utter pineapples) telling me to go freehand.

So I don't ask. Surely thats not the way this forum is meant to be?

Sadly, this is increasingly the case. The forum should be about asking questions, offering advice, posting photos of ideas and work, but it's recently become more about harassing and belittling people with different work methods. This happened on another forum I used to visit, and the result was that in a short space of time there was a massive drop-off in forum activity. What can you do? Not much. Typically after someone posts a question, there are a few genuinely helpful responses, then the bullies pile in with their "my way is the only way" posts, drive all the other posters away, until the discussion ends. Gradually the questions stop as people tire of the repeated arguments, leaving the forum poorer as a result.

 

[Bluekingfisher]

Well thanks for answering my initial question folks.

I conclude The answer is - D_W and Jacob are wholly right, everyone else is wrong.

Thanks gents, much appreciated.

David

 

[iNewbie]

... just a load of evangelists (or utter pineapples) telling me to go freehand.

So I don't ask. Surely thats not the way this forum is meant to be?

Unfortunately the solution to many jig problems is stop using the jig.
It's as if someone asks how to cure a headache but doesn't like the simple obvious answer i.e. stop banging your head against the wall

I don't see many (rare as hens teeth on here) threads about Jig issues/problems. I see plenty of tripe on how they shouldn't be using one - maybe the tripe-ers shouldn't bang their heads...

 

[Zeddedhed]

Jacob,
if I ask for help using a jig and your reply is to stop using it you're not being helpful. You're being arrogant in assuming that I haven't considered my options and chosen to use a jig for whatever reason. The reason is none of your business. If you don't have an answer that would help me using a jig then don't post. You have nothing of value to say.

Sometimes you do have something of value to say and this has been said before, but I think you believe that all of your opinions and utterances are of value. They're not. Sometimes they are just arrogant boll*cks.

So if you don't want to help people who have chosen not to go freehand I suggest you shut up and p|ss off.

 

[Paddy Roxburgh]

Did Jesus use a honing guide?

It'd be a miracle if you could use that as a jig, my boy:

Of course there's always the possibility that if he had sharpened differently he might have stuck with the carpentry. Maybe that final bit of tearout on the Cedar of Lebanon drove him to take up the whole son of god thing