Sheffield Tony":3avn7ixa said:
... And remember that you lot in the Leave camp are the ones who would gamble your future and everyone else's on that toss of the coin.
Right back at ya!
We know, with certainty, that there are huge structural problems across the EU, both economic and political:
1. The euro will fail, collapsing some local economies as it goes down, and seriously damaging lenders too (which includes some of our own banks, incidentally, and pension funds, and so on. It makes no difference if we're in or out, EXCEPT that we can yet be tapped up to fund more pointless bailouts of lending institutions in the eurozone.
Cameron (well Osborne) claims we have negotiated an exemption from this, but in truth we haven't. There is now a mechanism whereby we can "indicate our reasoned opposition" to a fresh bailout after which the European Council "shall discuss the issue". Nice of them to be so considerate.
Remember the Irish referendum on the euro, and the French referendum on the European Constitution (when Cameron wouldn't give us one)? When the lies didn't work on the French, it was passed anyway. The Irish were just told to stay behind after school until they'd done their referendum properly. So good luck with that one!
2. The migration crisis will continue to get a LOT worse. This in itself is enough to topple some of the less stable governments. Without proper control of our borders, good luck with that one too.
3. The EU parliament starts debating a new European Army the day after our referendum (24th June, as reported in The Times, over the w/e). Surely no accident, with timing specifically intended to rub our noses in it. It will pass, if Germany and France want it to. So, if you don't want some grey bureaucrat in Brussels deciding to square up to Putin one Thursday afternoon, putting British troops on the front line... well good luck with that one.
4. The accession countries will continue to want to accede, obviously. That includes delightful places like Albania and Turkey (who continues to use force of criminal law against critics of its politicians and even comedians who make fun of them!). They will continue the dilution of our very limited influence within the EU, and some of them have an Islamic agenda quite foreign to Europe since the gates of Vienna.
These things are not speculation. They are serious downside risks to remaining in the EU. The Remain camp needs to explain what its plan is to address them. So far I haven't heard anything cogent whatsoever.
We shouldn't be frightened of leaving the EU - most of the world comprises sovereign independent nations, after all - we should be frightened of what will happen to these islands if we stay in.
E.