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mudman
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Why?
Well, the thread is called "US Election November 5th". Are you just going to discuss the candidate you don't like?
mudman
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So what? This was about Harris so bringing Trump into it is a diversion.
Being a lawyer does not mean the ability to debate. It means the ability to arrive at the truth by the means of pertinent questions. The lawyer doesn't get questioned unless they end up as a witness or in the dock. Specious argument.
Starmer being a good example.
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Well, there you are making assumptions. How do you know I don't like her? All I have said is that I think she is pretty awful in debate and doesn't seem to know what her policies. Maybe I think Trump is worse, maybe I think that on balance, he would be better. It will be interesting to see who wins and how things pan out in the next few years. But what annoys me is people declaring how great one candidate is based on their perception of the other. Examine your favoured candidate with a critical eye and make an honest point, not one based on partisan affiliations.
Agent_zed
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Whether it's Harris or a bag of potatoes that was running against Trump, it wouldn't change my opinion of Trump.
And unlike trump, a bag of potatoes could be of some help to the average person.
RobinBHM
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based on what?
I suspect youve never actually watched a number of examples of Kamala Harris in interviews, but rather just short clips that support your bias
You say she is pretty awful in debate: well Trump is a devious opponent and she rather destroyed him
here is Harris taking questions from reporters.......seems pretty good at answering questions to me
here is an interview on Fox news which is hostile to Harris............seems pretty good at answering questions to me:
Have you honestly appraised Kamala Harris objectively rather than just based on partisan affiliations?
So do you think Trump is better?
Well, you seem to be going out of your way to hedge about what you think about Trump but not hold back about being critical about Harris, so what do you expect? And equally, I myself have never said Harris was "great", just that I'd favour her over Trump for reasons I've already had a small go at. I'm not sure who your final sentence was aimed at. And I'm not sure why you think we can't compare her to Trump - see post #563 (i.e. who put you in charge of the thread?).
This thing about debating - yeah maybe, dunno, I've never been to law school so I don't know how much "debate" they do. But in the few things that I've seen her in, if we going to define them as debate, she seems to do all right <shrug>.
Terry - Somerset
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I don't think the debating talents of either candidate will make any real difference to their performance as president should they get elected.
Trump strikes me as incoherent. Harris is clearly intelligent and a capable debater. The move in opinion polls following the debate clearly favoured Harris - but it's in the margins not at the forefront of the choice the US electorate need to make.
Several interviews with Trump supporters characterise the reality - he is a seriously flawed individual but we will vote for him because he will deliver - economy, MAGA etc.
UK politics has similar dynamics. Lots of votes for Farage (and Boris a few years back). Not all their policies are intellectual plausible - but folk respond to hope and positivity more than reality.
"Take back control" (Brexit) and "make America great again" (Trump) resonate with the electorate - hence their success.
Starmer has no charisma - he simply did that required to deliver electoral victory. Not difficult - he would need to be seriously inadequate not to triumph. Labour won only 34% of the popular vote - the FPTP electoral system gave them an overwhelming majority of seats.
A purely personal view - I hope Harris triumphs. She is rational and intellectually competent. Trump is an unpleasant human being and by the end of the next term may even be suffering serious aging problems (like Biden).
Trump strikes me as incoherent. Harris is clearly intelligent and a capable debater. The move in opinion polls following the debate clearly favoured Harris - but it's in the margins not at the forefront of the choice the US electorate need to make.
Several interviews with Trump supporters characterise the reality - he is a seriously flawed individual but we will vote for him because he will deliver - economy, MAGA etc.
UK politics has similar dynamics. Lots of votes for Farage (and Boris a few years back). Not all their policies are intellectual plausible - but folk respond to hope and positivity more than reality.
"Take back control" (Brexit) and "make America great again" (Trump) resonate with the electorate - hence their success.
Starmer has no charisma - he simply did that required to deliver electoral victory. Not difficult - he would need to be seriously inadequate not to triumph. Labour won only 34% of the popular vote - the FPTP electoral system gave them an overwhelming majority of seats.
A purely personal view - I hope Harris triumphs. She is rational and intellectually competent. Trump is an unpleasant human being and by the end of the next term may even be suffering serious aging problems (like Biden).
I have a memory of seeing some clip a loooong time ago of Reagan, during his campaign against Carter, pulling this sulky, uptight face and jabbing his finger on a table or something saying "we just wanna be respected again!"
When he said that the statement at least had some small (very small IMHO) credibilty in the wake of the things that cost Carter the election (oil, terrorists). The MAGA message is just based on rubbish. The US's standing in the world, while now having to deal with China, isn't less than great still, is it? Those silly fookers ought to try living over here for a bit to see how a country really can take a nosedive.
But it's easy to push people's buttons innit. (see Farage
)
