Bringing goods from the EU

[billw]

I dunno, they made a big fuss about it. The easiest way to predict whether someone is Leave or Remain is by how much money they have.

Well Cornwall is a relatively poor county, voted to leave and they've totally stiffed themselves. The government has got control of EU funds and whilst Cornwall asked for £700m over ten years to replace those EU funds, the government probably won't be writing them a large cheque any time soon.

"Here in Cornwall, the people who voted for Brexit and voted for the Conservatives did so because they believed or were told it was about taking back control and a commitment by our government to continue to support Cornwall. " (BBC News)

"Believed or were told". Oops.

 

[doctor Bob]

.......................(BBC News)

When does the BBC broadcast this, recently I have only seen party political broadcast at 6pm and 10pm everyday from them.

 

[billw]

When does the BBC broadcast this, recently I have only seen party political broadcast at 6pm and 10pm everyday from them.

Brexit: Cornwall to face 'significant' funding cut - BBC News

Was a quote on the BBC rather than by the BBC.

 

[sploo]

I, personally, think the acceptance and glossing over (which is kind of what you are doing now, implying a downright and indisputable lie as "confirmation bias") is a serious problem.

Again, there are many grey areas to the brexit thing which will be examples of confirmation bias (remember, it was my own post a few further up which bought up the topic).

But, painting something on the side of a bus which just isnt true in order to manipulate the public isn't "Oooh, he mis-spoke", or "confirmation bias", or whatever.

Its a factual lie. And that shouldn't be acceptable, nor should it be glossed over in any way whatsoever.

That's where the line lies for me. It's absolutely fine to argue about one political or economic "way" vs another. It's unlikely either side will ever be completely right or completely wrong (and pretty much every model from anarchy to fascism, communism to hyper-capitalism can be advocated for with some valid positives).

The issue is when there's outright deception; the NHS claim on the bus being just one (well worn) issue, but demonstrably false from day one.

The problem with "just moving on" is that it doesn't tackle the problem. Imagine if murderers started asking people to just move on and let the issue go

 

[Rorschach]

I think it easier to predict on personality.............

I dunno, I have leave and remain friends, they are all a-holes!

 

[sploo]

I dunno, they made a big fuss about it. The easiest way to predict whether someone is Leave or Remain is by how much money they have.

Not sure that claim is really supported by the available data on voting demographics.

Certainly it's always easier to get those at the bottom of society to vote for something "different"; the status quo is bad, so change must be good, right? But the idea of poor = Leave, rich = Remain is not widely accurate.

 

[Rorschach]

Not sure that claim is really supported by the available data on voting demographics.

Certainly it's always easier to get those at the bottom of society to vote for something "different"; the status quo is bad, so change must be good, right? But the idea of poor = Leave, rich = Remain is not widely accurate.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/518395/brexit-votes-by-social-class/

 

[sploo]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/518395/brexit-votes-by-social-class/

"Upper Middle-Class" does not define the most wealthy in society, and the AB/C1/C2/DE classifications, whilst certainly correlating somewhat with earnings, is not specifically defined by personal income or wealth.

 

[Spectric]

Hi all

It is all irrelevant now, we are no longer Europeans and have left so must look forward to what ever comes our way, lets hope our government makes sharper decisions regarding the economy than it has dealing with the virus. So far things from the EU have looked smoother than expected but turn 180° and maybe it is also problematic with goods from the other side of the pond, take a look at Woodworkers workshop and some areas look a little bare. No router table tops just wheels and a couple of frames, no Jessem prestige lifts. Maybe they have all had a great big bubble party and misread their stock or getting ready for the new year sales!

 

[Lefley]

Carry your bag sir?

Come back to Canada! I live in bc. Right in the mountains.

 

[Rorschach]

"Upper Middle-Class" does not define the most wealthy in society, and the AB/C1/C2/DE classifications, whilst certainly correlating somewhat with earnings, is not specifically defined by personal income or wealth.

No I realise that, but it's probably the best we are going to be able to do and likely a fairly accurate assessment. They didn't ask my income when I voted, lol.

 

[Awac]

Come back to Canada! I live in bc. Right in the mountains.

And you have plenty of wood......what is not to like!

 

[Peter Sefton]

Hi all

It is all irrelevant now, we are no longer Europeans and have left so must look forward to what ever comes our way, lets hope our government makes sharper decisions regarding the economy than it has dealing with the virus. So far things from the EU have looked smoother than expected but turn 180° and maybe it is also problematic with goods from the other side of the pond, take a look at Woodworkers workshop and some areas look a little bare. No router table tops just wheels and a couple of frames, no Jessem prestige lifts. Maybe they have all had a great big bubble party and misread their stock or getting ready for the new year sales!

We have quite a few pre drilled JessEm Prestige lifts in stock and JessEm Table tops, we have updated the website to make a few Brexit changes. The stock levels should be correct, please let me know if the above products are showing as out of stock.

Cheers Peter

 

[Spectric]

Great work, looks like its back but what are the changes due to brexit?

 

[johnny]

nobody has asked about vac cleaners.....
can we get the high powered one back.....????? LOL...
..

ha ha good question The Henry vacuum I bought recently for her indoors has been thrown back at me in disgust and now lanquishes in my shed. She continues to use Charlie who is deafening but has the suction of a baby elephant sucking water from a river.
I've since bought a non working used Henry and transplanted the higher powered motor into the new Henry.

 

[Rorschach]

ha ha good question The Henry vacuum I bought recently for her indoors has been thrown back at me in disgust and now lanquishes in my shed. She continues to use Charlie who is deafening but has the suction of a baby elephant sucking water from a river.
I've since bought a non working used Henry and transplanted the higher powered motor into the new Henry.

I am pretty sure you can still buy the higher power motors brand new as spare parts.

 

[sploo]

No I realise that, but it's probably the best we are going to be able to do and likely a fairly accurate assessment. They didn't ask my income when I voted, lol.

Some years ago I recall reading an article that claimed the most accurate correlation of belief/demographic for voting leave (a better fit than social status, gender, income, or race) was actually support for the death penalty. I'm not sure if that's actually true, but from memory I think the article was accompanied with some data (so it wasn't just a joke/made up piece).

Correlation and causation are, of course, two different things.

 

[Rorschach]

Some years ago I recall reading an article that claimed the most accurate correlation of belief/demographic for voting leave (a better fit than social status, gender, income, or race) was actually support for the death penalty. I'm not sure if that's actually true, but from memory I think the article was accompanied with some data (so it wasn't just a joke/made up piece).

Correlation and causation are, of course, two different things.

Hmm, that's interesting. Maybe we could do a little poll of that here?

 

[Steliz]

also I get 3 free days of storage at their depot, after that I need to pay. It’s 16000 Hungarian Forint per day. Not done the math it’s the cost of 3-4 beers.

16000ft is about £40 and even drinking in the cocktail bars in Budapest city centre will give you a little bit of change from that for 4 drinks! Maybe you've over-zeroed, it's easy to do.

 

[Awac]

Hi all

It is all irrelevant now, we are no longer Europeans and have left so must look forward to what ever comes our way, lets hope our government makes sharper decisions regarding the economy than it has dealing with the virus.

I understand what you are saying Spectric. It is the direction and rhetoric that the government is displaying that I find distasteful.

“I just wish I was 21 again, frankly,” IDS said. “Because my goodness what prospects lie ahead of us for young people now. To be out there buccaneering, trading, dominating the world again…”

"In the distance and through the darkness we can see the brightly illuminated pub sign of our destination"-Boris Johnstone (New year message). (Jeez- is this what he thinks the populace are wanting from a government, a low opinion and a private Boris joke in my view).

Whether you think Adam Smith or Karl Marx are right, is this really the message the UK should send out? The UK is not a big player as it was (lost, sub contracted or sold, and they* are not going to make the same mistake!), it needs to specialise and invest in education because the only place it can have a chance is with quality+brand. If you want to sell quality, people have to buy into your brand. What happens when you p*ss them all off with cocky bravado? I would not buy from any brand with someone like IDS. Name one business that you would buy off if it was telling everyone they were dominating you?
There are a lot of crafts/small business that could do well alongside technology, but they can not compete on price (unless you think now that EU workers rights have gone we could become competitive in the sweat economy? Na, that couldn't happen...er), they need people who like them and what they do. This is what effects us as amateurs and professionals, if you want a tool or sell them, and why it is important to talk it through.

In a democracy you can vote again to rejoin Europe in the future, so I will wait for that day. Scotland did not vote to leave Europe, nothing to fear from having another democratic vote?
If brexit all goes great and everyone is friends I will happily say I was wrong, and be glad of that fact, but I can not stand by while jingoistic claptrap erupts-sorry.

* Rest of the world