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[mr grimsdale]

Question:

..if you have never knowingly used A2 , the how the heck are you qualified to comment on its properties

Answer, half right :
relaying opinions you have heard elsewhere
The wrong bit: without any personal experience to use as a yardstick
Personal experience - lifetime of using edge tools (cheapo rubbish by and large) without any of the probs which seem (I'm told) to beset A2 steel .

I couldn't give a monkeys either way I have no plans to buy A2 anything.

 

[Mr Ed]

I couldn't give a monkeys either way I have no plans to buy A2 anything.

For someone who doesn't give a monkeys about it, you have a surprisingly large amount to say, hence my earlier comment in this thread.

Ed

 

[Aled Dafis]

How i wish I'd have kept my mouth shut!!

OK, both steels have their merit. Can we just leave it at that and move on!

Cheers

Aled

 

[big soft moose]

Question:

..if you have never knowingly used A2 , the how the heck are you qualified to comment on its properties

Answer, half right :
relaying opinions you have heard elsewhere
The wrong bit: without any personal experience to use as a yardstick
Personal experience - lifetime of using edge tools (cheapo rubbish by and large) without any of the probs which seem (I'm told) to beset A2 steel .

I couldn't give a monkeys either way I have no plans to buy A2 anything.

but thats like saying ive spent my entire life driving ford escorts and therefore i know the ferrari isnt any good (because i read somewhere that they are temperamental, )

the logic doesnt follow - you arent qualifed to comment on the quality of it if you havent used it - you might be qualified to coment on the quality of alternative mateials that you have used but that isnt the same thing.

 

[Jake]

but thats like saying ive spent my entire life driving ford escorts and therefore i know the ferrari isnt any good (because i read somewhere that they are temperamental, )

the logic doesnt follow - you arent qualifed to comment on the quality of it if you havent used it - you might be qualified to coment on the quality of alternative mateials that you have used but that isnt the same thing.

I've heard that Toyotas have been having some problems at the moment - that is only hearsay so I hesitate to mention it.

 

[mr grimsdale]

Question:

..if you have never knowingly used A2 , the how the heck are you qualified to comment on its properties

Answer, half right :
relaying opinions you have heard elsewhere
The wrong bit: without any personal experience to use as a yardstick
Personal experience - lifetime of using edge tools (cheapo rubbish by and large) without any of the probs which seem (I'm told) to beset A2 steel .

I couldn't give a monkeys either way I have no plans to buy A2 anything.

but thats like saying ive spent my entire life driving ford escorts and therefore i know the ferrari isnt any good (because i read somewhere that they are temperamental, )

the logic doesnt follow - you arent qualifed to comment on the quality of it if you havent used it - you might be qualified to coment on the quality of alternative mateials that you have used but that isnt the same thing.

What about Pot Noodles then? Or norwegian chardonnay?

 

[TheTiddles]

Hey Moosey

Sounds like you need Handy Tip No. 70*

Aidan

*maybe he'll go away if we do it enough?

 

[Chems]

Aled, thanks for that little list, most informative.

So the Tormek is classed as a Waterstone system which is what I use so seen as the machine is putting in the work I'd be better off with A2 to hold the edge longer? Not to worried about the sharpness factor as I'm not good enough to get to those top levels of sharpness, I just use the tormek then the leather wheel and go with what I've got.

I bought back when I started right at the top of the slope this blade for my Record No5 1/2:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/sessionID/OV ... -23380.htm

No what is it likely to be O2 A2 or tin metal?? Chips easily and doesn't hold and edge well in my opinion. The original blade that came with my No4 record is better.

 

[Jason Pettitt]

I've never seen one in the flesh, but isn't the Tormek a whetstone rather than a waterstone?

 

[Eric The Viking]

I bought back when I started right at the top of the slope this blade for my Record No5 1/2:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/sessionID/OV ... -23380.htm

Now what is it likely to be O2 A2 or tin metal?? Chips easily and doesn't hold and edge well in my opinion. The original blade that came with my No4 record is better.

I had to laugh when I had a look at the page in question:

"People Also Bought:

* Axminster Rigger Gloves
* Sanding Belts 75 x 533mm"

I'm not exactly sure what this says about the current crop of purchasers, but it's a bit worrying...

:wink:

 

[Chems]

Lol I bought Castors when I bought the blade so can't blame me for that.

Its a Whetstone cause its very hard? You can get a Japanese waterstone for he Tormek thou but its really expensive!

 

[Ironballs]

Blimey, this has drifted a long way from being an idle dream about what hand tools to buy next

 

[Jason Pettitt]

Shows you what I know. Turns out that a whetstone has nothing to do with wetness - just a catchall phrase for any old sharpening stone. I've no idea if the basic wheel on a Tormek would favour one type of steel over another.

 

[Chems]

Shows you what I know. Turns out that a whetstone has nothing to do with wetness - just a catchall phrase for any old sharpening stone. I've no idea if the basic wheel on a Tormek would favour one type of steel over another.

Not to sure one the Whetstone, what I said I just gleaned from Wiki quickly.

Not asking if the tormek favours a steel asking which steel favours the Tormek. A2 is suposedly harder to sharpen but if the Tormek is putting in the sweat and I can reap the benefits of a longer lasting edge then I'd choose A2.


Ironballs, so true, the forum seems to come over all hurt and argumentative this past week or two.

 

[woodbloke]

David - not having a pop at you at all, it's just that everywhere I go I see demonstrators using something pleasant to use with their planes (Konrad and Philly do the same thing) If there was something nasty side by side with it (the sycamore) at the same time, then it would be a fairer (to me anyway) demonstration of the planes capabilities.

Rob
I think Konrad has answered this question to you on a blog somewhere - it comes down to time issues. If you have to sharpen the iron every fifteen minutes you get rather less time to talk to customers, etc. It's more important to me for customers to have the opportunity to hold and use the plane than to set up impromptu "ultimate planing competitions".... :lol:

Cheers
Philly

I remember now Philly, you're right. Must pay more attention - Rob

 

[Philly]

Rob
No worries - just showing off that I actually remembered something :lol:
Philly

 

[big soft moose]

Question:

..if you have never knowingly used A2 , the how the heck are you qualified to comment on its properties

Answer, half right :
relaying opinions you have heard elsewhere
The wrong bit: without any personal experience to use as a yardstick
Personal experience - lifetime of using edge tools (cheapo rubbish by and large) without any of the probs which seem (I'm told) to beset A2 steel .

I couldn't give a monkeys either way I have no plans to buy A2 anything.

but thats like saying ive spent my entire life driving ford escorts and therefore i know the ferrari isnt any good (because i read somewhere that they are temperamental, )

the logic doesnt follow - you arent qualifed to comment on the quality of it if you havent used it - you might be qualified to coment on the quality of alternative mateials that you have used but that isnt the same thing.

What about Pot Noodles then? Or norwegian chardonnay?

well ive never driven a pot noodle so i cant really say how it compares to a ford escort but i would expect that performance is a bit dribbly and artificial given my experience of their general consistency

 

[jlawrence]

OK, for those of you who actually know what you're on about (as opposed to me). How the heck do you actually know what sort of metal you've got - is the only way to stick it on the grinder and look closely at the colour of the sparks ?

 

[big soft moose]

OK, for those of you who actually know what you're on about (as opposed to me). How the heck do you actually know what sort of metal you've got - is the only way to stick it on the grinder and look closely at the colour of the sparks ?

my theory is that so long as you can sharpen it and get a good finish , who cares which you have - just go and make some shavings , lifes too short...

that said the actual answer is that A2 is a lot harder so you cant sharpen it as easily - so you'd know if you had it.

The other thing is that A2 is ( i think) a relatively new development - therefore if you dont know what you've got because your blades are old, then it aint A2

that exhausts my limited expertise - so i'll let david or someone give you a more definitive answer

 

[bugbear]

OK, for those of you who actually know what you're on about (as opposed to me). How the heck do you actually know what sort of metal you've got - is the only way to stick it on the grinder and look closely at the colour of the sparks ?

I posted details earlier in the thread.

BugBear