Who is in and who is out?

[custard]

Well. Sun still rose. Lights are still on. Still food in the shops. No port blockades, no immigrants murdered, no Krystallnacht or anything.

There was an account of a lady on a bus talking in an Eastern European language on a mobile phone, another lady gleefully called out to her "you and your type are in big trouble now". The first lady was a nurse on her way to the local hospital, history hasn't recorded the occupation of the second lady.

 

[Wuffles]

Well. Sun still rose. Lights are still on. Still food in the shops. No port blockades, no immigrants murdered, no Krystallnacht or anything.

There was an account of a lady on a bus talking in an Eastern European language on a mobile phone, another lady gleefully called out to her "you and your type are in big trouble now". The first lady was a nurse on her way to the local hospital, history hasn't recorded the occupation of the second lady.

That does remind me of the recent story about the lady in a niqab on a bus in Wales speaking "forin" that a chap took offence to, until it was pointed out to him she was speaking Welsh.

 

[Noel]

Sour grapes? It's not a game, many lives will be adversely affected if this goes ahead, many firms will go to the wall and many people will lose their livelihood. .

You mean like all those people in the UK's Tata, Thamesteel, SSI and Caparo plants because of EU legislation and other factors linked to our current govt and EU membership?

Forget about them did you? Convenient.

We know it's not a game Noel and to say otherwise is extremely disrespectful to all posters on both sides who have commited a lot of time and effort to their posts.

We voted, and we had a result, but because things didn't go your way you are having a pi$$y fit and seemingly holding the out voters on the forum responsible when the entire United Kingdoms took part.

This is how democracy works, if you are not happy living under it's protection, you can always move to N Korea or China.

Or maybe you could stuff yourself back in your box and pipe down because you have no idea how this will pan out longterm either.

Or, seeing as we could well continue be members for at least 2 years, you can relocate to one of the other european countries and work from there - but somehow I think you like the fact that the Pound is strong against the Euro, which it has thus remained, regardless of the decision.

You must be fun at parties. Later.

 

[t8hants]

The reaction of that sniveling little piece of of incandescent dogs vomit, the unelected Jean Claude Juncker is exactly why I wanted out of the institution of the EU in the first place.

This isn't personal, this is politics. The EU now has to "punish" the UK in public as much as possible to set a precedent for the reactionary right wings salivating in all the other Euro sceptic member states. This is about contagion management and is entirely predictable. No one needs get angry, it's just the way the game gets played

If you want to get angry, think about your kids futures!

This is a great opportunity for our kids to embrace the world, free from the whispers that have been saying "You are a small nation, you cannot survive alone, you cannot do anything without us the EU" that has deliberately brainwashed two generations into thinking small.
If we can re engage the enterprise and invention shown by our forefathers we will survive and prosper, but we need to become the nation we once were in outlook, and throw off the mantle of fear which the EU and its supporters have deliberately fostered.
It was no accident that 'Project fear' was adopted by the remain campaign, anybody else would have campaigned on 'look at all the wonderful things the EU have done for you and us', and I think that is what the undecided wanted to hear, but didn't get.
If house prices collapse perhaps my kids can then afford one, I presume all the EU migrants are living in the available stock that may have been available if they were not there, likewise work might be available because there were fewer migrants. Perhaps they would stop gobbling up field after field for housing, as a nation we should have been planning to reduce the population as the baby boomers die off, not continually increase it.
We built an Empire with a population of half of what it is now, we don't need to keep increasing with either migrants or native born, because increased population usually lowers living standards.

 

[RogerS]

Much of the Leave vote was against the perceived 'elite' and the 'establishment' as much as anything else according to some commentators. Many people outside London felt disenfranchised.

 

[MIGNAL]

'"Other developed countries also face similar challenges as Britain. We all live in a globalised, interdependent world. The desire to disengage, to be less constrained by one's partners, to be free to do things entirely as one chooses, is entirely understandable. And yet in reality for many countries, disengaging and turning inwards will likely lead to less security, less prosperity, and a dimmer future.
Singapore will continue to cultivate our ties with Britain, which is a long standing friend and partner."

- PM of Singapore.

 

[Jacob]

It seems many brexit voters are now saying oo-er we thought it was just a protest vote we didn't expect this.?

I haven't met one yet.

You mean you aren't one yourself? Cornwall will be a big loser - you'll get the idea sooner or later. Brexit will bring no benefits to you or your neighbours.

 

[Jake]

Don't fret folks, Bob's mowed the village green so all is good.

 

[Rhossydd]

Many people outside London felt disenfranchised.

Particularly ironic given how much of the EU spending in Britain went to the provinces. Do they think that Westminster is going to replace all those EU subsidies with cash from UK tax payers when we leave ?

 

[dynax]

Well i have no regrets in the vote to leave, we will be so much better off in so many ways, when was the last time you saw a British kite mark on anything you have bought, within the eu we have had to drop our standards to comply with the rest, our British standards were more stringent than the rest of europe, closing our borders will help with reducing smuggling, drug and human trafficking, we can have an increased security system in place which we can never have within the eu, and we can distance ourselves from the corruption that dominates the heart of the eu.

 

[Rhossydd]

For anyone regretting 37% of the electorate trying to get us out of Europe might like to sign this
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

[porker]

Well my company (large multi national FTSE 100) told us yesterday it is considering relocating to another site in Europe. This is internal knowledge right now as we are working on impact assessment of the business. If they go the main town they are in will be decimated. I respect peoples views but I don't think we live in a world where pulling up the draw bridge is the way to go. Not only the EU but now the breakup of the UK. Scotland will undoubtedly leave and I can see problems in Ireland again. For me a very sad day yesterday.

 

[MIGNAL]

Well my company (large multi national FTSE 100) told us yesterday it is considering relocating to another site in Europe. This is internal knowledge right now as we are working on impact assessment of the business. If they go the main town they are in will be decimated. I respect peoples views but I don't think we live in a world where pulling up the draw bridge is the way to go. Not only the EU but now the breakup of the UK. Scotland will undoubtedly leave and I can see problems in Ireland again. For me a very sad day yesterday.

This is going to be the real crux of the matter. Not if but how many, to what effect it has on jobs and the economy. I can only hope that the effect is marginal, I fear that it will be much worse.

 

[Roughcut]

For anyone regretting 37% of the electorate trying to get us out of Europe might like to sign this
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

No thanks.
The vote has been cast, we are leaving the EU.
Time to move on.

 

[RogerS]

Many people outside London felt disenfranchised.

Particularly ironic given how much of the EU spending in Britain went to the provinces. Do they think that Westminster is going to replace all those EU subsidies with cash from UK tax payers when we leave ?

I think you are getting confused. Feeling disenfranchised has diddly-squat to do with any subsidies.

 

[Roughcut]

Well my company (large multi national FTSE 100) told us yesterday it is considering relocating to another site in Europe. This is internal knowledge right now as we are working on impact assessment of the business. If they go the main town they are in will be decimated. I respect peoples views but I don't think we live in a world where pulling up the draw bridge is the way to go. Not only the EU but now the breakup of the UK. Scotland will undoubtedly leave and I can see problems in Ireland again. For me a very sad day yesterday.

An Independent Scotland.....within the EU.
Now there's a funny thing.

 

[RogerS]

For anyone regretting 37% of the electorate trying to get us out of Europe might like to sign this
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Do you really think that another referendum will make any difference ? I don't think so. We might see a result that is a mirror-image and so then what do we do ? Best of three?

As I and others before me have said ....the votes been cast, so suck it up and deal with it.

 

[Eric The Viking]

Know who this bunch is? You should!

It's a pro-EU comic strip (these are the characters), aimed at indoctrinating children about the wonderful EU. On the left are the forces of Euroscepticism, on the right the wonderful Captain Euro and his team.

Any resemblances to Bond villains and neo-Nazi youth organisations I presume are intentional - it's not as if the comparison wasn't made years ago (and even minuted in the European Parliament). At one point some printed editions, intended for primary schools, were recalled here at short notice and pulped, when they were too blatant.

The "archive" mysteriously only goes back as far as 2014 - the more egregious stuff was in the early 2000s and has mysteriously vanished from EU servers.

The young have been a target for EU propaganda for decades, as young as primary school age, with "classroom materials" (including Captian Euro materials), teaching plans, etc., right up to university and beyond with direct bungs like the Erasmus program, etc.

This particular one started off unashamedly aimed at smaller children, but after an outcry was cancelled, only to reappear recently, changed into more wry humour aimed at young teenagers.

Even so, can you imagine any British government being allowed to further its own cause in this way, using public money? It's like something out of North Korea or Stalin's Russia.

Here's a classic from the recent genre:
http://www.captaineuro.eu/comic-strips/white-house-calling/

http://www.captaineuro.eu/

I was actually quite surprised to find it still available on an EU server.

Go figure.

 

[thetyreman]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

[Jacob]

.....
Go figure.

Go figure what? That people have been propagandising pro EU?
Surely this is no surprise.
People have also been rabidly propagandising the opposite, as you well know Eric.
No doubt material of varying quality from both sides, will turn up in schools, libraries, many places.
This is how it should be in the free world.
Why are you surprised to find it "still available" - there's a lot of much weirder stuff than that on the net!

The "archive" mysteriously only goes back as far as 2014 - the more egregious stuff was in the early 2000s and has mysteriously vanished from EU servers.

Probably because it was trivial, boring and well out of date - not necessarily a cunning plan conducted by the forces of darkness!

Do you suffer from this chronic paranoia in general Eric, or is it just the EU that brings it on?