US Election November 5th

[ey_tony]

Let me translate that for you:

"Someone listed a number of points that are factually correct, but they don't fit with my current beliefs so I'll ignore them and reiterate my unfounded dislike of people who disagree with me".

I mean, Tony, with all due respect, some of your recent posts are just embarrassing. At least you didn't go full loony rabid like BC'er.

With all due respect and without wishing to cause offence to anyone, I really don't give a monkey's for what anyone thinks of me as I don't value their opinions for it to upset me. It's clear that the only ones arguing here are by and large are left wingers and I find from experience that their opinions are based on personal attacks and prejudices so if they don't like Trump then that is their prerogative and opinion to which they are entitled but they have no right to tell me what my opinion should be!
I decide that for myself! As it happens I don't particularly like Trump but I like him more than what's on offer from the Democrats. It says more about American politics given the choice of candidates put forward by both sides of the house. Surely with a a population of getting on for 340 million, they could come up with better candidates?

As far as I'm concerned the Democrats showed their true colours just after Trump was elected and I strongly suspect that it will be the same scenario if he wins again.
As I mentioned earlier, I see many parallels regarding the Democrat's modus operandi and that of remain voters.

The Democrats absolutely hate Trump because he doesn't dance to their tune and see him as a threat plus it's clear they fear him otherwise they wouldn't have spent the past 8 years obsessively trying bring him down and finish him off at every opportunity!


That is why I loathe the left wing mindset as it leaves no room for compromise or modus vivendi.

 

[sploo]

With all due respect and without wishing to cause offence to anyone, I really don't give a monkey's for what anyone thinks of me as I don't value their opinions for it to upset me. It's clear that the only ones arguing here are by and large are left wingers and I find from experience that their opinions are based on personal attacks and prejudices so if they don't like Trump then that is their prerogative and opinion to which they are entitled but they have no right to tell me what my opinion should be!
I decide that for myself! As it happens I don't particularly like Trump but I like him more than what's on offer from the Democrats. It says more about American politics given the choice of candidates put forward by both sides of the house. Surely with a a population of getting on for 340 million, they could come up with better candidates?

As far as I'm concerned the Democrats showed their true colours just after Trump was elected and I strongly suspect that it will be the same scenario if he wins again.
As I mentioned earlier, I see many parallels regarding the Democrat's modus operandi and that of remain voters.

The Democrats absolutely hate Trump because he doesn't dance to their tune and see him as a threat plus it's clear they fear him otherwise they wouldn't have spent the past 8 years obsessively trying bring him down and finish him off at every opportunity!


That is why I loathe the left wing mindset as it leaves no room for compromise or modus vivendi.

Tony, literally all you're doing is repeating yourself; in the face of being presented with factual information that disproves your hallucinations.

 

[Chris152]

The Democrats absolutely hate Trump because he doesn't dance to their tune and see him as a threat plus it's clear they fear him otherwise they wouldn't have spent the past 8 years obsessively trying bring him down and finish him off at every opportunity!

I'd have thought they dislike trump profoundly because of his abhorrent behaviour and values. Clearly, that's not enough to deter you. And we should all fear him and see him as a threat if he gets in power again, and do all we can to ensure that doesn't happen - not that we can do much, given the cultish nature of his followers. The next leader of the free world?! god help us all.

 

[TRITON]

It's over 8 years since the referendum but for many they will still not accept the results of the referendum...I'd argue they are what is wrong with the UK

It is most definitely not a case of those who voted remain being unable to accept the result, they have fully accepted it, as thats how democracy works.

The ones who are always moaning are those who voted leave, and they constantly go on about it because there are not only no benefits, but it has had a dramatic and detrimental effect on the UK economy.

Due to this realization, those who voted remain, like to point out the idiocy of those who voted leave and how they were so easily manipulated, purely on a racial, though I feel it is mostly xenophobic, basis.

In embarrassment, and an attempt to offset the damage they have done by leaving the EU, the leavers attempt to blame the remainers by saying things like "You're the reason brexit isnt working", despite the fact that the full blame lies with them.

otherwise they wouldn't have spent the past 8 years obsessively trying bring him down and finish him off at every opportunity!

You are aware this is how it works with all political parties across the world.
In an effort to regain power, each demonize the leaders and policies of the other in an attempt to convince the voter their party can and will solve al the problems,

 

[RobinBHM]

With all due respect and without wishing to cause offence to anyone, I really don't give a monkey's for what anyone thinks of me as I don't value their opinions for it to upset me. It's clear that the only ones arguing here are by and large are left wingers and I find from experience that their opinions are based on personal attacks and prejudices so if they don't like Trump then that is their prerogative and opinion to which they are entitled but they have no right to tell me what my opinion should be!
I decide that for myself! As it happens I don't particularly like Trump but I like him more than what's on offer from the Democrats. It says more about American politics given the choice of candidates put forward by both sides of the house. Surely with a a population of getting on for 340 million, they could come up with better candidates?

As far as I'm concerned the Democrats showed their true colours just after Trump was elected and I strongly suspect that it will be the same scenario if he wins again.
As I mentioned earlier, I see many parallels regarding the Democrat's modus operandi and that of remain voters.

The Democrats absolutely hate Trump because he doesn't dance to their tune and see him as a threat plus it's clear they fear him otherwise they wouldn't have spent the past 8 years obsessively trying bring him down and finish him off at every opportunity!


That is why I loathe the left wing mindset as it leaves no room for compromise or modus vivendi.

Tony, lots of republicans including leaders have come out and said they are voting for Harris because they want to stop Trump

They recognise that Trump is totally unsuited to high office, he is morally corrupt and a pathological liar.

So it’s not just Democrats saying it.

 

[ey_tony]

Tony, lots of republicans including leaders have come out and said they are voting for Harris because they want to stop Trump

They recognise that Trump is totally unsuited to high office, he is morally corrupt and a pathological liar.

So it’s not just Democrats saying it.

Whatever Trump is, thankfully it's the American people and not self righteous British left wingers who will decide who wins the American presidential election. We've just seen what those who support left wing politics have in store for the UK if today's budget is anything to go by.

Meanwhile back here in the real world it's going to mean fewer jobs and increased inflation including higher rents with falling living standards...it's certainly not going to give the UK the economic kick-start that the Starmer circus promised on the run up to the election that's for sure so if Trump wins I would wager that America will do far better under his administration than the UK will do under this clown's leadership.

Starmer and his clan are probably the most underwhelming left wing government that I can ever remember.

 

[ey_tony]

I'd have thought they dislike trump profoundly because of his abhorrent behaviour and values. Clearly, that's not enough to deter you. And we should all fear him and see him as a threat if he gets in power again, and do all we can to ensure that doesn't happen - not that we can do much, given the cultish nature of his followers. The next leader of the free world?! god help us all.

Exactly why should we fear him as a threat if he gets into power again? Can you expand on that comment?

 

[Chris152]

Exactly why should we fear him as a threat if he gets into power again? Can you expand on that comment?

I think it's pretty clear why I wouldn't want 'The next leader of the free world' to be someone with 'abhorrent behaviour and values', as I stated in the comment you quoted.

 

[ey_tony]

I think it's pretty clear why I wouldn't want 'The next leader of the free world' to be someone with 'abhorrent behaviour and values', as I stated in the comment you quoted.

So no actual answer as to why he should make you fearful other than you don't like the guy...right!

 

[Chris152]

So no actual answer as to why he should make you fearful other than you don't like the guy...right!

Yes, excellent, Tony - I just don't like him, his hair, the colour of his skin, the intonation of his speech and so on. Can't think of any other reasons to not want him running a country that has so much influence over the rest of us. If he had a better beautician and a decent speech coach, he'd be perfect for the job.

 

[Chris152]

So no actual answer as to why he should make you fearful other than you don't like the guy...right!

Out of interest, would you say a Jew living in 30s Germany who objected to Hitler's 'abhorrent behaviour and values' simply didn't 'like' him? Just some personal dislike?

 

[sploo]

Yes, excellent, Tony - I just don't like him, his hair, the colour of his skin, the intonation of his speech and so on. Can't think of any other reasons to not want him running a country that has so much influence over the rest of us. If he had a better beautician and a decent speech coach, he'd be perfect for the job.

At this point in the thread I'm 50/50 on whether Tony is a skilled troll who's played the long game, or just an AI that has failed the Turing test.

 

[paulrbarnard]

Exactly why should we fear him as a threat if he gets into power again? Can you expand on that comment?

Foreign policy, especially related to Russia and China for opposite reasons. I have no interest in US domestic policy but have grave concerns for the world’s security and economic viability if Trump is elected.
There was a major devaluation in semi conductor stock and world wide panic a few months ago when he said in a press conference that he wanted Taiwan to pay US for protection from China. The cynical might give him credit for manipulating the markets for personal gain but the reality is more likely total ignorance of the global impact of his statements on the rest of the world. He is far too narcissistic to be trusted on the world stage.
I do agree with you that if he is elected by the US electorate that is democracy and people get what they want/deserve. The problem is, for better or worse, the President of the US has a massive impact on global affairs and the rest of the world don’t get a vote.

 

[Agent_zed]

so if Trump wins I would wager that America will do far better under his administration than the UK will do under this clown's leadership.

But the US is doing better than it ever was under Trumps last term.

GDP is up, inflation is falling, unemployment is low, the stockmarket is the highest its been and they are outputting more oil/gas than ever (not a good thing in my mind but Trump keeps just repeating 'Drill baby drill' which makes no sense as they already are) and they have made huge infrastructure investments (which many of the republicans who voted against it, are now taking credit for).

Every republican government has increased the national debt. Trump was running on the coat tails of Obama and even before the pandemic the economy was starting to drop under Trump.

Trump will do nothing but enable Authoritarians to succeed in their goals.

If he gets in I just hope the UK is clever enough to put our energy into Europe, as the US will no longer be a reliable ally.

 

[Jacob]

So no actual answer as to why he should make you fearful other than you don't like the guy...right!

If you can't see it yourself maybe you should just stop worrying about these things and do something more useful with your spare time? Ever thought of doing some woodwork, or a bit of gardening?

 

[spanner48]

Are you sure?

I think you might be confusing Marxism with authoritarian regimes

Marxism is the opposite of what you claim:

a social, economic and political philosophy that analyses the impact of the ruling class on the laborers, leading to uneven distribution of wealth and privileges in the society.

That is just analysis. What about the resulting action? Like 1917-1932: elimination of "Class Enemies" - including their families. The "Dekulakisation" campaigns killed off about 1.8 million of them . . . .

 

[ey_tony]

Yes, excellent, Tony - I just don't like him, his hair, the colour of his skin, the intonation of his speech and so on. Can't think of any other reasons to not want him running a country that has so much influence over the rest of us. If he had a better beautician and a decent speech coach, he'd be perfect for the job.

I'd rather he ran the USA than his opponents...Harris is being funded and advised by warmongers...sorry but I'm not that shallow minded that I can't see the dangers irrespective of what you or others might think of him.

During his term in office, exactly which attacks on other countries did he authorise? He at least reached out to such as Fat Boy Kim, none of the other bozos had the gumption to even do that.

Biden showed the world just how powerful the the USA really was... a bunch of religious third world people in Toyota jeeps forced supposedly the world's leading superpower to do the walk of shame. Is there any wonder that the USA has lost its military standing in the world with leadership like Biden's and the Democrats.
If they couldn't defeat a bunch of tribal lunatics, I'd be fearful too especially if Trump loses the election as this lot is the White House is being slowly drawn into what could well culminate in WW3 and people like you worry about Trump's appearance....you just couldn't make it up!

Forgive me if I laugh but you hard of thinking lefties are just so full of whotsit, I'm surprised you can even move, let alone look beyond your prejudices
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Moderated to remove offensive term. Please be more careful. And maybe tone down things too. Noel.

 

[Blackswanwood]

people like you worry about Trump's appearance....you just couldn't make it up!

Tony ... he was being ironic.

 

[Spectric]

People like Biden still believe that the USA is the planets police force and are there to oversee everyone else whilst not accepting that China is about to knock them off there perch. Biden in a confrontation has shown that he is the person to shout retreat first as demonstrated in Afghan and that single act is probably going to be his legacy. A good leader should know when to put the brakes on and start talking rather than just keep fueling the fire until WW3 errupts and Israel has shown that they have no respect for him by sticking two fingers up as he is a weak leader and unforunately harris is just more of the same. Like or dislike Trump, as a person or his appearance he is at this point in time the right tool for the job and stands far more chance of achieving stability on this planet than the rest.

 

[sploo]

Tony ... he was being ironic.

Given the lack of understanding on that point, I'm now 60/40 in favour of Tony being an AI that's failed the Turing test.