The idea that anyone has a neutral, unbiased opinion on such matters is silly - even the decision what to talk about, what to include and what to exclude, is itself a decision based on priorities, which are determined by particular values and thus bias. So we have to accept bias and argue within the parameters it sets.
US Election November 5th
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sploo
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I feel that a lot of what's going on is projection; people who would try to cause problems when a result doesn't go their way will assume that the other side would also behave like them - to the point that we now have people claiming to remember historic things that didn't happen (e.g. Democrats refusing to accept the outcome of the 2016 election). I sure don't remember any Capitol riots after Trump was elected...
RobinBHM
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The Daily Mail must take a long time to read cover to cover
RobinBHM
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If Trump loses, I shall enjoy the petulant man child tantrums
ey_tony
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I try to make my judgements and arguments based on fact and neutrality rather than tribalism or prejudice but I agree it can be difficult to argue a point without some inherent bias.
I'm not American and Trump or whoever wins the presidency will not be my president therefore I have no inherent voting bias as such but I can observe from an outsider's perspective of what is and has been happening in the USA and make a judgement based on what I've witnessed and I draw the same parallels with the Democrat's behaviour after Trumps presidential win and the behaviour of that of those who voted to remain in the 2016 referendum.
Neither group were willing to accept the other side's victory and continually fermented dissent and therefore I see the both groups as ant-democratic by failing to accept the result of a democratic vote.
It's over 8 years since the referendum but for many they will still not accept the results of the referendum...I'd argue they are what is wrong with the UK and I suspect the same applies to the USA.
When the losing side refuses to accept the result of a free and fair referendum/election then it indicates that those people do not believe in true democracy and merely pay lip service to it.
Other's may see it differently but before I voted in the referendum I was willing from the outset to accept the result of the referendum whatever the result.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
Although I hope he does lose I think that there is a real risk he may not. I think we may well see him win the electoral college vote and becoming President with Harris taking a record share of the popular vote.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
That's a bit of a conflation and what-aboutery Tony as we're discussing the US election not Brexit. I take it you don't have any examples of things done by the Democrats in 2016 to demonstrate the veracity of your argument.
RobinBHM
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Tony, what do you think are good things that left wing parties offer and good policies they have done.
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sploo
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This. Exactly this.
I mean, Tony's last post stated "I try to make my judgements and arguments based on fact and neutrality" then almost immediately repeated the debunked claim about "the Democrat's behaviour after Trumps presidential win"
As for Brexit; I've never heard of anyone not accepting the result of the vote. The issue is (was, and will always be) that the promises made were a fantasy, and continue to not exist.
Agent_zed
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Out of interest, did your unbiased media research include the recent hurricane coverage. You know where Trump was repeatedly saying that Joe Bidens government had done nothing for those effected states and had not contacted any of them, to the point that the republican state governors had to go on TV and publically state that they had indeed spoken to the President and had been offered federal support.
Trump helpfully built a nice podium from bricks from a smashed building to spout nonsense and lies. Very helpful, I'm sure that helps a lot of people.
In reality, the federal Government's response was actually considered very good. Although due to Trumps lies and that of other right wing nuts there were instances where FEMA was unable to assist because the locals had been convinced it was some plot to steal their property or some other insane lies, and threatened FEMA workers with firearms.
Although I guess if the Dems hadn't used their weather manipulation devices the hurricane would never have hit the red states. You know, just as Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican U.S. representative for Georgia's 14th congressional district says. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...reene-weather-control-hurricane-b2626699.html
But I'm sure you are aware of all of this and have factored it into your assessment of both parties.
ey_tony
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Why do you hope he loses?
See above.
ey_tony
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You just have to look no further than the behaviour of the Democratic Party and its supporters following Trump's win in the presidential election to see what a corrupt lot they were and unless there have been a huge changes then they still are.
Sorry but I don't need to go further than that...that's enough as far as I'm concerned.
As for all the labels that left wingers on here throw at Trump, I'll listen when they acknowledge that the Biden dynasty are also arguably a corrupt bunch of crooks but I don't hear those same people asking why isn't Joe Biden's druggy son in jail?
Sorry but the left wing arguments on here are mostly nonsense.
ey_tony
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I asked him for his own reasons or am I not allowed to ask such questions?
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
What did they do about it? What exactly did they refuse to accept? How would you refuse to accept it?
I thought brexit was a grotesque mistake but I didn't "refuse to accept it" in any particular way.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Yes he puts on a good show. Cringemaking but hilarious.
I'm wondering about orangeing up for halloween.
What a non-argument.
I am not here to do your research for you. It is a fact that there are many right wing groups who are trying to foment a civil war, and some republicans have openly called for one if Trump loses.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
Because I don’t agree with him on a lot of things. Thinking it’s okay to grab women by their genitalia is perhaps the start of it.
There are sustained attempts to skew the betting odds, like the poll averages, because the appearance of momentum has a political value.
