Putin is a loser

[RobinBHM]

Putin is now threatening any country that has supplied weapons.

It’s a clear indication Putin is scared.

And he’s obviously running low on soldiers, artillery and weapons given the supplies from Iran and NK

 

[TRITON]

It’s a clear indication Putin is scared.
And he’s obviously running low on soldiers, artillery and weapons given the supplies from Iran and NK

Wouldn't think so, Russia has vast reserves of military equipment and soldiers than any other country in the world.

No prisoners costing the Russian taxpayer anything, they're all fighting on the front line or dead. Older equipment has been used as its pretty much good for the type of role its been used for as support.

Ukraine shooting down a few helicopters, sinking a few ships and blowing up some old tanks is literally nothing. The have a lot of high end stuff, equal to the US or China


During the Falklands the UK lost 10 aircraft,and 25 helicopters. 7 ships were lost including 2 frigates and 2 destroyers. All in a 74 day engagement.

We cheer patriotism, but you need to stop kidding yourself. Russia is not some poor middle eastern country. Russia is an extremely dangerous adversary

 

[Spectric]

It’s a clear indication Putin is scared.

When you still hold a hand of aces why be scared, Chinas's supplying far more to Russia than NATO is to ukraine and it is us that should be scared because after all this conflict is over look at what the new world will look like. You have a new Eastern alliance with the upcoming world super power being China, then when they decide to anex Taiwan they can count on Russian support and as part of the current support for Russia from North Korea there technology will leap frog forward and then would they think of re-unification of Korea. The west is in a really bad place that has been made far worse by it's support for Israel and having supplied the tools needed to inflict genocide on innocent woman and children and just stood by and watched so we are hardly in a position to condem others for bad behavior.

And he’s obviously running low on soldiers, artillery and weapons given the supplies from Iran and NK

Which would make the situation extremely dangerous, it could force them to turn to there chemical & biological weapons to defend Russia or last resort the nukes that would guarantee no one wins. Our leaders need to start de-esculation before it all gets out of hand, just look for a moment at the horrific facts about what we are facing, Hiroshima was a 20 kilo ton bomb, Russia has 100 and 500 kilo ton versions which would see London vanish in the blink of an eye.

For a so called inteligent race we have certainly been very stupid in even thinking of these sorts of devices let alone build and test them.

 

[Fergie 307]

Wouldn't think so, Russia has vast reserves of military equipment and soldiers than any other country in the world.

No prisoners costing the Russian taxpayer anything, they're all fighting on the front line or dead. Older equipment has been used as its pretty much good for the type of role its been used for as support.

Ukraine shooting down a few helicopters, sinking a few ships and blowing up some old tanks is literally nothing. The have a lot of high end stuff, equal to the US or China


During the Falklands the UK lost 10 aircraft,and 25 helicopters. 7 ships were lost including 2 frigates and 2 destroyers. All in a 74 day engagement.

We cheer patriotism, but you need to stop kidding yourself. Russia is not some poor middle eastern country. Russia is an extremely dangerous adversary

So pray why have they been unable to dislodge the Ukrainians from Kursk?
Why are they heavily reliant on drones from Iran, and supplies of ammunition, and now troops from N Korea?
If what you say we're actually true then they would have romped across Ukraine in the first place, and the incursion at Kursk would have been counter attacked and eliminated immediately.
Vast amounts of Soviet hardware was sold off after the fall of the Soviet Union, in many cases by their own senior officers, aided and abetted by the troops themselves who often hadn't been paid for months.
In the Putin era it would appear that lining ones pockets was a greater priority than equipment maintainance. So much of their kit is in a right state by all accounts.
They are putting tanks into battle now that really ought to be in a museum.
If you want to see how a genuinely powerful army works then look at how long it took the Germans to overrun Ukraine, and compare that with the miserable performance of the Russians.
All Putin has revealed to the world is that the much vaunted Russian conventional forces are actually a bit of a shambles.
The old Soviet generals like Kruschev must be spinning in their graves.

 

[paulrbarnard]

None of your effing business. You're also on Ignore

So that’s a yes then?

 

[Jake]

Older equipment has been used as its pretty much good for the type of role its been used for as support.

LOL

The have a lot of high end stuff, equal to the US or China

OK now spat my coffee. You mean a few SU57s which they won't even fly near UKR because they are sub-4th gen and can't now build in any quantity of because they don't have access to the western parts? Air defence that just doesn't work (as the Israelis have proven time after time over Sudan and Iran. Or what?

I mean they are not nothing, but the idea they are a match for the US or even China is a complete joke.

They sent up 2 IRBMs last night to send some sort of emasculated nuclear threat to scare the wusses, and one failed and blew up over Russia. Well done, that's a persuasive threat against someone I suppose.

 

[Fergie 307]

A case in point is reactive armour.
There were stories a number of years ago that I think Pakistan had bought tanks from the Russians. They found that the explosive in the reactive armour had been removed, and replaced with either sand or concrete. Presumably because some enterprising Russians had sold the valuable explosives.
True? Who knows, but interesting how many images there are of Russian tanks destroyed in Ukraine where the reactive armour appears to be completely intact.

 

[Fergie 307]

And China. Curious that you seem to accept what Russia says at face value.
On that basis China have consistently denied that they are sending any weapons to the Russians for use in Ukraine, so that must be true?
Of course it's not, but why are you prepared to believe Russia, whilst acknowledging that China are lying?
And if anyone has cause to highlight Chinese involvement it would be Ukraine, so what do they have to say.
They say that around 60% of foreign components in weapons recovered either are of Chinese manufacture, or are made elsewhere and shipped through China. These components are mainly electronics, and are being used in the manufacture of drones by Iran, and Russian.
The only complete weapons they cite being supplied by China are drones, and a small number of artillery shells.
So your assertion that China are supplying Russia with more equipment than NATO is to Ukraine is not correct.

 

[selectortone]

I have a good friend who runs an army surplus wholesale business. He buys in bulk, mostly clothing, from governments around the world and supplies army surplus retail shops here and abroad. While it was possible to do business with Russia he had a look at a few batches of surplus army uniforms and was shocked at the shoddy quality. Both the materials used and the quality of manufacture were very poor. He wouldn't touch it. He's ex-army and talking with him recently he said he wouldn't fancy a winter in Ukraine in Russian uniform.

 

[Fergie 307]

And Russia has vast reserves of military equipment.
Don't make me laugh. The Americans are probably the worst hoarders of kit in the world. They have literally thousands of tanks, AFV and other kit in storage, and the money and ability to recommission it if necessary.
Russia GDP about $2 trillion, USA 29. All the major players in Europe have far more money available than Russia, Germany alone has a GDP about four times that of Russia.

 

[paulrbarnard]

And Russia has vast reserves of military equipment.
Don't make me laugh. The Americans are probably the worst hoarders of kit in the world. They have literally thousands of tanks, AFV and other kit in storage, and the money and ability to recommission it if necessary.
Russia GDP about $2 trillion, USA 29. All the major players in Europe have far more money available than Russia, Germany alone has a GDP about four times that of Russia.

Even U.K. GDP is bigger than Russia.

NATO defence spending is 10 times Russian spend.

 

[Jake]

True? Who knows, but interesting how many images there are of Russian tanks destroyed in Ukraine where the reactive armour appears to be completely intact.

Also stories of rubber innards found on RU tanks in UKR. It might explain why they keep mounting supposed ERA on unarmoured vehicles .

 

[RobinBHM]

Wouldn't think so, Russia has vast reserves of military equipment and soldiers than any other country in the world.

actually it doesnt

its losing upto 1000 soldiers a day in Ukraine and it has no reserves but is managing to recruit at the rate of 30,000 a month

the new recruits are mostly farm labourers and convicts

and it doesnt have reserves of military equipment, it does have considerable manufacture capability though, nothard when a massive amound ot gdp is dedicated to war.

 

[RobinBHM]

Even U.K. GDP is bigger than Russia.

NATO defence spending is 10 times Russian spend.

Russia has GDP similar to Spain

Russia has a gdp per capita of about $13k UK is about $49k



the 9 Eastern European countries which jonied the EU in the early 2000s have a combined gdp of greater than Russia

 

[Jake]

and it doesnt have reserves of military equipment, it does have considerable manufacture capability though, nothard when a massive amound ot gdp is dedicated to war.

It has problems with manufacture, more able to recondition. They still have old stock in storage although a vast amount of that has been destroyed. So they are pulling out older and older guns and tanks. But it's still predicted they have enough old tanks left to last them another 18 months to 2 years. But that's why all the freeze the conflict stuff is being promoted by RU and their MAGA allies (and others in Europe like that cretin Corbyn) - they need to pause and have sanctions lifted to rebuild before going again for more.

The new stuff like Armata, they are basically unable to produce now except in very low numbers (like teens per year), too much based on bought-in and now sanctioned Western tech. They seem a bit more able to produce missiles to fire at civilians and bombs to level towns using Chinese or Chinese sourced parts, but it is still low numbers compared to NATO capabilities (or even the European part of it) if the Russians choose to pick a fight.

 

[Cozzer]

The Americans are probably the worst hoarders of kit in the world. They have literally thousands of tanks, AFV and other kit in storage....

And don't forget they've got the Ark of the Covenant as well, stored away safely in a vast warehouse.
It's being looked after by top men.
"Who?", I hear you ask.
"Top men". That's all I can say.
I have seen the film...

Conclusive proof - if needed - that God is indeed on our side.
What can possibly go wrong?

 

[TRITON]

actually it doesnt

I took that quote from a former member of the British army. But clearly you know better.

So believe what you wish and I'll stick to my pragmatic view.

 

[Fergie 307]

Putin still presumably wants to bring the whole of Ukraine under his control, and one assumes doesn't much care for the idea of Ukraine occupying part of Russia, however small.

You have to ask why are neither of these issues being resolved?

The only logical explanation is that Russia no longer have the means to resolve them, their military being exhausted both in men and equipment.

In the days of the USSR at it's height it would have been unthinkable to be going cap in hand to the likes of N Korea or Iran for help.

Putin can try and spin it anyway he likes but IMO just evidences how far the once mighty Russian bear has fallen.

I feel sorry for the people, dreadful government ever since the revolution, at enormous cost.
Given the resources they have they should be one of the world's leading economies, not one of the poorer.
Hopefully they can rid themselves of the current nasty little s**t and maybe find a better way of going about things than just swapping him for another corrupt dictator. Better for them, and better for everyone else.
We can only hope.

 

[TRITON]

Putin still presumably wants to bring the whole of Ukraine under his control, and one assumes doesn't much care for the idea of Ukraine occupying part of Russia, however small.

No. Controlling the whole of Ukraine would be a logistical and military nightmare. The US couldn't even do that in Iraq, and Ukraine is about 50% larger.

You would have guerrilla groups springing up that would need to be pacified, and again looking at Libya,Iraq and Afghanistan that was an impossible task.

Force capitulation, and force the Ukraine to come under Russian sphere of influence. Return of Crimea, reparations paid etc.
When Trump assumes office, it is possible Ukraine will be forced into a ceasefire with a demilitarized zone along the border. British, French manning it -though not sure if Russia would agree to what is effectively NATO patrolling it's border. So there would have to be some compromise in Russian favour, or Putin would feed more troops to the meat grinder, and in that aspect Russia would win outright. Given they can have a steady stream of replacements, and currently Ukraine is raiding bars and rounding up anyone of military age, in a forced conscription scenario.
If Ukraine wants to stop its workforce from being slaughtered, we can only hope Trump provides a solution.

 

[Jake]

If Ukraine wants to stop its workforce from being slaughtered, we can only hope Trump provides a solution.

Quisling or feckless Chamberlain, I can't decide.