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Fully get your point here about paying for parking in hospitals....and here comes the dreaded...however... One of the main reasons hospitals or indeed any amenity charge for parking is because usually what happens is people park there then pipper off to work for the day leaving no parking spaces available to hospital goers.
I live beside a major hospital and have,thankfully, free parking on our road (road is too small and narrow to install paid parking). This however means that vehicles park on the road and are gone to the hospital for the day (cos its free) , sometimes across driveways and on more than one occasion blocking the end of the road to the point that bin lorries had no access resulting in non collection of bins.
So free parking at hospitals may still result in no parking availability.
I fully see your point. I had reason to visit Newcastle Eye Infirmary a couple of years ago while visiting my caravan in the North East. I have a Blue Badge and as long as I registered at the reception desk I was allowed to park without limit. It was very busy and they had a people controlling the car parking.
Surely it wouldn't take much thought to take one's appointment letter or receive a proof of injury slip to the reception so that their car vehicle plate could be registered as a genuine case for allowing parking.

Anyone else would be given a penalty charge by someone employed to issue tickets to parking cheats. The revenue raised would likely pay their wages and would keep the hospital parks clear of parking cheats.
I'm sure there must be ways
 
Morrisons in ross-on-wye had free parking for years and people would park there and go into town as well as shop at morrisons. The carpark is huge so not really a problem, it was normally quite full but you could get a space.

Someone in management decided to implement a paid system where you got your money back if you bought something in morrisons to stop people parking and going into town. So they installed the pay and display machines and all the expense of monitoring etc.

As soon as it was implemented, everyone abandoned Morrisons. Literally decimated their trade overnight. People voted with their feet (and cars).

Their trade dropped so much that after 2 weeks they abandoned the plan to charge and put covers over the brand new pay and display.
I have my caravan sited up in the North East and occasionally we have visited one particular Morrisons store not far from where our caravan is sited and it used the same method of pay and display and get your money returned so I suspect it was a management directive.

I don't know whether it's still in force but I don't think people objected to paying it and those who didn't buy anything got their parking for 50p.

Most supermarket car parks now limit parking to 90 minutes which seems fair enough to me.
 
I have no problem with charges for car parking - they need to be built, maintained, cleaned, insured and the land on which they sit has an alternative economic use value.

Hospitals are no different - given the choice I will happily pay a couple of ££ to park the car rather than waste time and money on possibly inconvenient and expensive public transport.

However there is a difference between a fair and exploitative charge. Some hospitals rightly recognise they need to discount for repeat visits vs occasional use.

However prices charged for most car parking is too high - particularly for those with high occupancy like hospitals.

  • The average car parking space is 12sq m - about 25% of the size of a modest 1 bed flat.
  • My local large hospital charges £1-2 per hour depending on length of stay.
  • Assuming each space is used for 12 hours per day, the total revenue per parking space is (say) £20 per day = £7300 pa.
  • As a car parking space is ~25% the size of a small flat, this is equivalent to ~£30k pa rental - the sort of price paid for a premium central London location.
 
I recently read an article where a driver drove into Bristol airport car park to collect his wife, he had to stop a temporary traffic light on red, while waiting for it to change his wife came out, & as he was opposite the exit, she got in the car. When the lights changed they drove off, days later they received a fine. Probably because he didn't need to park, so subsequently he hadn't bought a ticket, as there was no need.
Having often used Bristol airport I recall there are signs saying no stopping - I assume well intentioned to avoid congestion on access roads, less so to force the use of the overpriced pick up/drop off parking area.

We now pay more for the incidentals associated with air travel than the flight itself - hold baggage, priority boarding, car parking, pick up/drop off charges, in terminal catering etc.

I blame the budgeted airlines - for the airports the easier option is screw the traveller rather than face off EasyJet and Ryanair.
 
I recently read an article where a driver drove into Bristol airport car park to collect his wife, he had to stop a temporary traffic light on red, while waiting for it to change his wife came out, & as he was opposite the exit, she got in the car. When the lights changed they drove off, days later they received a fine. Probably because he didn't need to park, so subsequently he hadn't bought a ticket, as there was no need.
There are signs all through the Bristol airport roads saying no drop off or pick up. It used to be a night mare with people stopping on the roads to do just that. They now have cameras that see people getting in and out on the road and automatically send a notice. I can see why the person fell foul of this with the temporarily lights practically a permanent fixture. Bristol drop off is notoriously expensive.
 
I went to a local private carpark, drove in because I thought I saw a remaining space, but when I managed to get in, there was a motor bike and sidecar in the apparently empty space so I left, without even stopping. I got a demand for £60, it rumbled on for 3 months before they relented. AAaagh!
 
I went in to an essay garage with a Burger King attached normally I would not thank you for a burger but mum and I were hungry the woman served two others after our order, I get a parking fine for being 1 min over the allowed time... prob took that long to get in the car. So on top of the cost of a crap burger I had to pay 60 quid fine
 
Recently (29/07/2024) I received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for the sum of £70.00 by a traffic management company for apparently overstaying by 3 hours at a car park which I believe was the Trafford Centre in the Greater Manchester area which is at least 100 miles away from me as I live in East Yorkshire and which I've only ever passed many years ago when once flying from Manchester Airport.

The PCN also included a picture of the offending vehicle taken by an ANPR camera which showed 'my' personal registration but on a completely different vehicle.
My vehicle is an older black BMW Sports convertible while the image of the offending vehicle was a white AUDI estate. My BMW had been SORNed for several years and stood on my driveway so it's never left my property.

The first question to ask is: Does anyone from the company issuing these PCNs ever check before sending them out? After all, my details were correctly filled into each box of the notice including the colour etc and yet the vehicle image couldn't have been different, surely someone should be checking these before sending them out?

Once I'd grasped what had happened I immediately contacted Humberside police to report a crime which was actually easier said than done but by late afternoon I'd managed to get them to put a marker put on my registration number and then proceeded to contact Greater Manchester Police to get them to do the same. I was also informed that I should also notify DVLA which was closed so left it until the following morning.
That in itself was another let down as I wasn't able to get the marker put on their records until it was done in writing with a signature.

The problem was that I had issues with my printer and as that day I was going for several days break to my caravan up in Co. Durham, the letter had to wait until I returned nearly a week later. It turned out that it was a corrupted printer driver that was the problem but surely the DVLA should be able to make a note on the registration without having to go through me sending them a signed letter given that I had two different police incident numbers in support of my request.
I know what these parking companies can be like so I wasted no time in sending them a strongly worded appeal that the vehicle shown was not my vehicle and that I would not enter into further correspondence over the matter and if they aggressively pursued or disputed my objections then I would simply place it in the hands of my motoring legal protection solicitors which I always take out with each policy.

To be fair my appeal worked and I had a response within less than 48 hours dropping the PCN but if they'd just looked at the image and compared the details of the genuine registration vehicle then it should have dawned on them that it was incorrect.

As for how someone got hold of my personalised vehicle number, I can only assume that it was noted by one of the many delivery drivers who visit my property and the cul de sac in which I live. Obviously someone has noted the number and sold it on to other criminals or used it to cover their own criminal behaviour. The number must have been noted by someone while they were in my location as it wasn't on the road for several years.

From now on I'm going to cover the number plate so that it can't be copied and used again. The problem is that I had been planning to put the vehicle back on the road at some point in the near future so I'll have to go through all of the processes again of getting the markers taken off which will take up yet more time and inconvenience and all because of some scrote who would rather cause other people issues than pay the road tax. I really do hope they catch them but I doubt I'll never find out if they do.

So just be aware that it can happen to anyone and don't waste time in getting in touch with the police and DVLA if it does as, parking fines and traffic violations are big business to authorities and parking management companies these days and nipping it in the bud so to speak is better than ignoring the notices even if you know it's got nothing to do with you and having to deal with the problems later when you could have several traffic tickets to deal with at once.
Do not ignore any such ticket, Collect as much evidence as you can in support or your claim that it wasn't you or your vehicle which was involved in the traffic violation.
It would also be interesting to see if any other forum members have had the same issues.
I am so glad I live in Spain, that sort of crap just does not happen here,we have other crap yes but not that!
 

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