That's communism, not socialism (in the European sense). The yanks get very confused about this.The socialist agenda ie the very definition of socialism is that nobody should own property, it should all be owned by the state.
That's communism, not socialism (in the European sense). The yanks get very confused about this.The socialist agenda ie the very definition of socialism is that nobody should own property, it should all be owned by the state.
It's defined in various ways by different people and whether or not it is a theory is a theory in itself....
I’m sorry Jacob, but the term is defined and yes it is a theory.
I have already said that they have a chicken farm where the hens all lay golden eggs and not a money tree like everyone thought. They have promised not to borrow or raise taxes so stalemate.The only concern is that without raising taxes it would appear very difficult to fund
Google helpfully tells me opposite of "socialist" is "capitalist", defined as "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit".I would just like to politely correct this if I may.
Definition of socialism is:
“a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole”
Which is not state ownership.
I find this fearmongering attacks on Labour frustrating because the Labour has not ever been a socialist party and it’s policies are not socialism.
Labour when Corbyn was leader, was only putting forward slightly left leaning policies similar to the Nordic countries.
Corbyn suggested renationalising water: 90% of the world has state owned water. Nationalised rail and energy: it’s not socialist
It's a little like the magic money tree but labour related - I am there is an alliterative descriptor.Who knows. We should of course take notice of their life condition, history, wealth and needs. As for skills we need them all at every level.
No its a case of redistributing what we already have or earn.It's a little like the magic money tree but labour related - I am there is an alliterative descriptor.
The former is borrowing money to fund a deficit caused by spending more than we earn.
No it's a refugee crisis with people escaping from dire conditions.The latter is the import of cheap labour (from countries that can ill afford the exodus of skills), as we in the UK have proven ourselves incapable or unwilling to train or organise effectively.
It costs what it costsThe former creates increasing financial obligations which will need to be repaid.
Quite the opposite. Migrants enrich the countries wherever they go, as is obvious at a glance around the globe. That's why they go where they go, they aren't going to go where there is no work and chance of a better life.The latter stresses infrastructure (housing, health, schools, environment etc). Failing to resolve both these challenges serves only to impose even greater problems on generations to come - fundamentally unfair!
That is not true. Many top scoring English pupils are being denied places for for geo political and financial reasons,Your piece is riddled with untruths and inaccuracies. This is just one example. I assume you are referring to Oxford & Cambridge. I went to Cambridge and I am still closely associated via an honorary role with my College and the University. What you say is nonsense. Admission is based exclusively on merit in the form of exam results and school record and a rigorous interview process. If the rest of your assertions are as fictitious as this your posts have little credibility.
So you have no idea how many people you are happy to accept?Who knows. We should of course take notice of their life condition, history, wealth and needs. As for skills we need them all at every level.
What is a "non ethnic north west european" exactly?So you have no idea how many people you are happy to accept?
You can’t possibly come to even a rough figure?
Let’s try another question.
What percentage of the population are you happy to be immigrants and or non ethnic north west european?
The more you spread it the thinner it gets to the point where everyone has some but not enough to actually do anything with.No its a case of redistributing what we already have or earn.
So why are we not jumping into boats and heading for France or somewhere.No it's a refugee crisis with people escaping from dire conditions.
But migrants are not all the same and we do not want unskilled migrants that are just dead weight that consume without generating as we have enough people currently not in the job market. The truth is that they come from places with a very different culture to ours where in many cases the women are not treated equal. There have been many cases of friction due to cultural issues,Migrants enrich the countries wherever they go
Stupid and unpleasant racist propaganda.The more you spread it the thinner it gets to the point where everyone has some but not enough to actually do anything with.
So why are we not jumping into boats and heading for France or somewhere.
But migrants are not all the same and we do not want unskilled migrants that are just dead weight that consume without generating as we have enough people currently not in the job market. The truth is that they come from places with a very different culture to ours where in many cases the women are not treated equal. There have been many cases of friction due to cultural issues,
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Then what about national security, one minute we are attacking Isis in Iraq and Syria then welcoming them.
https://organiser.org/2024/01/03/21...esidency-to-isis-supporting-sudanese-migrant/
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Labour has never been a socialist partyYou need to tell Labour that The first line states ‘Labour is a democratic socialist party’. Labour has and will always be the Socialist Party.
But you stated socialism means the state owns everything.I like the definition of socialism that you’ve found, we both agree, socialism excludes private ownership
We can certainly spread it lot thinner before it’s a problemThe more you spread it the thinner it gets to the point where everyone has some but not enough to actually do anything with
There is nothing racist in those comments or quotes, they are heard on Tv and in many news reports so will be on peoples minds during this run up to the election and therefore will impact the outcome.Stupid and unpleasant racist propaganda.
This is not what a "moderator" should be doing.
It's appalling that some people see this sort of xenophobia and racism as a key issue in the general election.
I don't know why you keep flogging this particular dead horse. Labour has been a socialist party from the start. Even Starmer says he is a socialist! Mind you he could be lying - his lips were moving!Labour has never been a socialist party
Labour doesn’t have any socialist policies.
If you think it does, please could you show me a policy which says the means of production should be owned by the community.
But you stated socialism means the state owns everything.
It’s irrelevant anyway because Labour have never ever had preventing private enterprise as a policy.
I would suggest you are using an appeal to extremes fallacy to instill fearmongering against a Labour govt.
Do you think the neo liberal privatisation model we’ve had for the last 40+ years has been a success?
Conservative borrowing increase:Mortgaging our kids future has never seemed a very astute policy
Which part specifically as I’ve not seen any unfunded Labour policiesThe only concern is that without raising taxes it would appear very difficult to fund without additional huge borrowings
Really?in fact more right wing than the Conservative promises so far
It's been happening all the time!The country needs a total reform ! But spreading the wealth is not going to happen anytime soon
I would class the current iteration of the Conservatives as more right wing populism than centre right.Both are centre ground parties
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