THE FOURTH OF JULY
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If we take two ‘banana republics’ and look at their tax rates to review @jacobs comments. Hong Kong, maximum personal tax rate 17% and Singapore 18%. Both have superb systems. Lower tax = less tax avoidance / attracts high net worth individuals and greater tax revenue.
Monaco has ZERO tax and the government secures all its revenue from indirect taxes such as VAT.
Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
Monaco has ZERO tax and the government secures all its revenue from indirect taxes such as VAT.
Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
RobinBHM
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It is not my “strict personal definition of socialism” it’s what it is.
National health service =not socialism
Nationalised water, energy, rail = not socialism
Better wealth distribution = not socialism
The word “socialism” is a now seen as a pejorative.
It doesn’t describe the policies of the Labour, even under Jeremy Corbyn
I just don’t understand why you want to saddle yourself with a term that allows the right to use it to fearmonger
martin45
Established Member
Deema said:
If we take two ‘banana republics’ and look at their tax rates to review @jacobs comments. Hong Kong, maximum personal tax rate 17% and Singapore 18%. Both have superb systems.
Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
A role model for any country!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/a...t-pro-democracy-campaigners-national-security
If we take two ‘banana republics’ and look at their tax rates to review @jacobs comments. Hong Kong, maximum personal tax rate 17% and Singapore 18%. Both have superb systems.
Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
A role model for any country!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/a...t-pro-democracy-campaigners-national-security
You’re absolutely right, a British Dependant territory where we got it right and had to hand back to China that is being destroyed slowly by socialism.
RobinBHM
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there’s no socialism in Hong Kong
martin45
Established Member
Deema said:
Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
You’re absolutely right, a British Dependant territory where we got it right and had to hand back to China that is being destroyed slowly by socialism.
Slowly indeed, 27 years and counting!
Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
You’re absolutely right, a British Dependant territory where we got it right and had to hand back to China that is being destroyed slowly by socialism.
Slowly indeed, 27 years and counting!
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RobinBHM
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Examples of tax havens
2 countries with extreme levels on inequality, Im sure I’d call that a role model
“1 in 10 Singaporeans are unable to meet basic needs in the form of food, clothing, shelter and other essential expenditures”
“Hong Kong: Around 1.65 million people, or 23.6 per cent of the city's population, live in poverty.”
martin45
Established Member
Examples of tax havens
2 countries with extreme levels on inequality, Im sure I’d call that a role model
“1 in 10 Singaporeans are unable to meet basic needs in the form of food, clothing, shelter and other essential expenditures”
“Hong Kong: Around 1.65 million people, or 23.6 per cent of the city's population, live in poverty.”
My reply was an example of sarcasm. I didn't think I'd have to explain that!!
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Q 1
What word or short term would you apply to these "non socialist" policies, to distinguish them from "free market capitalism", or whatever else you would call it?
Q 2
Why do you think Blair and Starmer both stated emphatically that they were socialists?
Q 3
Why did Attlee become a socialist and what did he mean by this?
Q 4
Why did Keir Hardie say he was a socialist? Do you think he was lying, like our Keith?
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RobinBHM
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There are no countries with “free market capitalism.
In general every Western economy is capitalist, every country is run on private enterprise.
some countries have a bit more state control, some countries are more free market
Canada has free at point of use health service, buts it’s a market economy.
Americas water is mostly state owned
France has stated owned energy.
All are countries where the means of production are privately owned.
RobinBHM
Established Member
My apologies, I missed your point
RobinBHM
Established Member
China is a dictatorship
That just is not true, the whole university system is propped up by additional places created for foreign students ('immigrants') and charged at a profit. It is, or was, one of our best export markets. But, some people appear to lack the plank length to distinguish between temporary student immigrants bringing money into the country and their terrible snowflake fears of immigrants as a whole.
All concerned. Let's get this thread back on topic please. This is not a request.
RobinBHM
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In regards to GE2024, what do people think will be the outcome?
personally I’m not sure Labour will win a majority
They need to gain 125 seats just to get a working majority of 1 (exact number might be diff, it’s changing almost daily)
That’s a bigger swing than 1997 and Keir Starmer doesn’t have the personality or skills of Tony Blair, although I think he is easily better than Rishi Sunak.
personally I’m not sure Labour will win a majority
They need to gain 125 seats just to get a working majority of 1 (exact number might be diff, it’s changing almost daily)
That’s a bigger swing than 1997 and Keir Starmer doesn’t have the personality or skills of Tony Blair, although I think he is easily better than Rishi Sunak.
Keith Cocker
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I believe Labour will have a working majority. The Tories will be well and truly punished. Tory seats will go to Labour but I believe the Lib Dems will make considerable inroads in some areas eating into Labours majority. Greens may win a couple of seats. Reform will make no progress. What I’m unsure about is what will happen to the SNP and therefore who will have the “third party” place in Parliament.
selectortone
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Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
On the face of it Labour will get a majority. But it depends on turnout, which can completely change the picture.
I'd bet on Labour but with smaller majority than predicted.
You can see your own constituency here:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_home.html
I'd bet on Labour but with smaller majority than predicted.
You can see your own constituency here:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_home.html
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My feeling is that the Green party will win a seat in Derbyshire by just one vote which, combined with online anti-Starmer canvassing (especially on a well-known woodworking site), will lead overall to a tory win by just one seat.
