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If we take two ‘banana republics’ and look at their tax rates to review @jacobs comments. Hong Kong, maximum personal tax rate 17% and Singapore 18%. Both have superb systems. Lower tax = less tax avoidance / attracts high net worth individuals and greater tax revenue.
Monaco has ZERO tax and the government secures all its revenue from indirect taxes such as VAT.

Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
 
I don't know why you keep flogging this particular dead horse. Labour has been a socialist party from the start. Even Starmer says he is a socialist! Mind you he could be lying - his lips were moving!
If you want to hang on to your own personal strict definition of socialism you will just stay confused and keep pointlessly trotting out posts like this.
Mind you a lot of people are confused - they call themselves "democratic socialists" "social democrats" etc etc but nobody quite knows what they mean.
Clause 4 was dropped 20 years ago by Blair - who also said loud and clear that he himself was a socialist.
The original clause 4 was more of a loosely worded idealistic dream of the period which nobody thought would ever become literally a reality.
It is not my “strict personal definition of socialism” it’s what it is.

National health service =not socialism
Nationalised water, energy, rail = not socialism
Better wealth distribution = not socialism



The word “socialism” is a now seen as a pejorative.

It doesn’t describe the policies of the Labour, even under Jeremy Corbyn

I just don’t understand why you want to saddle yourself with a term that allows the right to use it to fearmonger
 
Deema said:

If we take two ‘banana republics’ and look at their tax rates to review @jacobs comments. Hong Kong, maximum personal tax rate 17% and Singapore 18%. Both have superb systems.

Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.

A role model for any country!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/a...t-pro-democracy-campaigners-national-security
You’re absolutely right, a British Dependant territory where we got it right and had to hand back to China that is being destroyed slowly by socialism.
 
Deema said:

Hong Kong is home to 129,500 millionaires, 290 centi-millionaires, and 32 billionaires.
You’re absolutely right, a British Dependant territory where we got it right and had to hand back to China that is being destroyed
slowly by socialism.
Slowly indeed, 27 years and counting!
 
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A role model for any country!
Examples of tax havens

2 countries with extreme levels on inequality, Im sure I’d call that a role model

“1 in 10 Singaporeans are unable to meet basic needs in the form of food, clothing, shelter and other essential expenditures”

“Hong Kong: Around 1.65 million people, or 23.6 per cent of the city's population, live in poverty.”
 
A role model for any country!
Examples of tax havens

2 countries with extreme levels on inequality, Im sure I’d call that a role model

“1 in 10 Singaporeans are unable to meet basic needs in the form of food, clothing, shelter and other essential expenditures”

“Hong Kong: Around 1.65 million people, or 23.6 per cent of the city's population, live in poverty.”


My reply was an example of sarcasm. I didn't think I'd have to explain that!!
 
It is not my “strict personal definition of socialism” it’s what it is.

National health service =not socialism
Nationalised water, energy, rail = not socialism
Better wealth distribution = not socialism



The word “socialism” is a now seen as a pejorative.

It doesn’t describe the policies of the Labour, even under Jeremy Corbyn

I just don’t understand why you want to saddle yourself with a term that allows the right to use it to fearmonger
Q 1
What word or short term would you apply to these "non socialist" policies, to distinguish them from "free market capitalism", or whatever else you would call it?
Q 2
Why do you think Blair and Starmer both stated emphatically that they were socialists?
Q 3
Why did Attlee become a socialist and what did he mean by this?
Q 4
Why did Keir Hardie say he was a socialist? Do you think he was lying, like our Keith?
 
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What word or short term would you apply to these "non socialist" policies, to distinguish them from "free market capitalism", or whatever else you would call it?
There are no countries with “free market capitalism.

In general every Western economy is capitalist, every country is run on private enterprise.

some countries have a bit more state control, some countries are more free market

Canada has free at point of use health service, buts it’s a market economy.
Americas water is mostly state owned

France has stated owned energy.

All are countries where the means of production are privately owned.
 
Examples of tax havens

2 countries with extreme levels on inequality, Im sure I’d call that a role model

“1 in 10 Singaporeans are unable to meet basic needs in the form of food, clothing, shelter and other essential expenditures”

“Hong Kong: Around 1.65 million people, or 23.6 per cent of the city's population, live in poverty.”


My reply was an example of sarcasm. I didn't think I'd have to explain that!!
My apologies, I missed your point
 
That is not true. Many top scoring English pupils are being denied places for for geo political and financial reasons,
That just is not true, the whole university system is propped up by additional places created for foreign students ('immigrants') and charged at a profit. It is, or was, one of our best export markets. But, some people appear to lack the plank length to distinguish between temporary student immigrants bringing money into the country and their terrible snowflake fears of immigrants as a whole.
 
In regards to GE2024, what do people think will be the outcome?

personally I’m not sure Labour will win a majority

They need to gain 125 seats just to get a working majority of 1 (exact number might be diff, it’s changing almost daily)

That’s a bigger swing than 1997 and Keir Starmer doesn’t have the personality or skills of Tony Blair, although I think he is easily better than Rishi Sunak.
 
In regards to GE2024, what do people think will be the outcome?

personally I’m not sure Labour will win a majority

They need to gain 125 seats just to get a working majority of 1 (exact number might be diff, it’s changing almost daily)

That’s a bigger swing than 1997 and Keir Starmer doesn’t have the personality or skills of Tony Blair, although I think he is easily better than Rishi Sunak.
I believe Labour will have a working majority. The Tories will be well and truly punished. Tory seats will go to Labour but I believe the Lib Dems will make considerable inroads in some areas eating into Labours majority. Greens may win a couple of seats. Reform will make no progress. What I’m unsure about is what will happen to the SNP and therefore who will have the “third party” place in Parliament.
 
In regards to GE2024, what do people think will be the outcome?
My feeling is that the Green party will win a seat in Derbyshire by just one vote which, combined with online anti-Starmer canvassing (especially on a well-known woodworking site), will lead overall to a tory win by just one seat.
 
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