mudman
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But isn't that beach pebble going to be round? I thought it was imperative to have a hollow stone.
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Phil Pascoe
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Jacob admitted he's never used a water stone, so any opinion he has on them is invalid.
John Brown
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Let he who is without sin cast aspersions on the first stone.But isn't that beach pebble going to be round? I thought it was imperative to have a hollow stone.
mark w
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Jacob
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No you missed the point.But isn't that beach pebble going to be round? I thought it was imperative to have a hollow stone.
Put the cat in the mix here.
How do peeps here define sharp?
How do peeps here define sharp?
mudman
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No pretty sure you'd miss the point if you used a round pebble. Maybe you could create a hollow pebble with the judicious use of a second pebble and some sand to create a hollow. Might take a while though. Personally I'd pop down the local hardware store.
Well I don't cut the hairs on my arm, if that's what you mean.
Cabinetman
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I know @Jacob and @Sgian Dubh produce good work, the latter probably has more experience and knowledge than the rest of us put together. Be interesting to see some of the commentators on here’s work.
I’ve looked back at the pages and pages of comments on all sorts of threads from the most vociferous and tbh I’m not finding much to impress me.
Match Planing? Half a century of making high quality bespoke furniture and I hadn’t heard of it, and I certainly won’t be trying it, take a bit too much off one area and the error is doubled, downright silly idea if you ask me.
And yes I can show my work, how about we see some of yours please?
Ian
I’ve looked back at the pages and pages of comments on all sorts of threads from the most vociferous and tbh I’m not finding much to impress me.
Match Planing? Half a century of making high quality bespoke furniture and I hadn’t heard of it, and I certainly won’t be trying it, take a bit too much off one area and the error is doubled, downright silly idea if you ask me.
And yes I can show my work, how about we see some of yours please?
Ian
mark w
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I have a website www.markwhitefurniturecabinetmaker.com some of my work is on there and I make a living from what I do.
You'll have to explain your theory ( because you haven't tried it) of "take too much off one area and the error is doubled" this really can't happen in my experience unless a person has a really poor planing technique in which case they're probably in trouble anyway.
Can one of the more informed, explain what match plaining is
Jacob
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If you dip say 1mm along the length of doubled up boards being "match"planed, when you turn them to meet the gap will be 2mm. If the dip is across the width then they will cancel out, in theory!
Hadn't thought of that - "match" planing can magnify errors. Probably why nobody does it much.
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Jacob
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Most of my working life doing architectural joinery, mostly sash windows, panel doors, and room fittings. Specialising in perfect repro of period detail, mainly by virtue of making my own spindle moulder cutters for exact replication.
Photos later (going out shortly).
Also lots of bits and bobs of wood turning and furniture e.g. this table, basic design a copy of a Welsh original. Sycamore top with trendy breadboard ends, redwood chassis and drawers. Have made/sold a number of these with variations such as different tops, ply with formica etc.
Into freehand dovetails as well as sharpening. Both quicker and easier, but will offend the sensibilities of the modern sharpeners equally, too many variations from the OCD rules!
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John Brown
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Let's not turn this into another pissing contest, please. Jacob has his views about sharpening, some of which you may disagree with, but unless you've just landed on planet earth a week ago, you'd already know that.
How do I get my planet earth visa...
Jacob
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I'm waiting to see what Mudman made, when he had a go at "match" planing a long time a go. Once perhaps?
I turned from amateur woodworker to a more trained version when I did a C&G carpentry and joinery course under the aegis of "Tops", having found myself briefly unemployed 1982. Quite brief - 6 months in the "Skill-centre", strict regime like an open prison, clocking in 8am - 4pm 5 days a week. It was all hand work, no machines not even a drill or grindstone, taught by elderly semi-retired very experienced tradesmen, on a syllabus evolved from the start of C&G in 19 century.
I was amazed to discover various basics which I'd never encountered in self taught earlier years of magazine reading, in fact I dumped a heap of them and haven't read one since. Lots of things - top of the list the rod which I'd never heard of, then simple things like how to use a mortice chisel, joiners axe, paring chisel, hours of sawing and planing, sharpening (nobody used jigs back then) etc etc. I was very lucky and am eternally grateful!
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That’s a blast from the past, Tops course. I looked at doing the carpenters course, but I am tooooooo much of a free sprite to follow strict/rigid teaching
Some nice dovetails there Jacob. Pretty sure I've sat at tables following that pattern in welsh and liverpool houses over the years.
It's not a term I've ever heard before this thread, but it's the trick of planing/jointing the edges of two boards in one operation by clamping the boards face-to-face in the vice. When you flip them together to edge-joint, if you planed the edges slightly out of square the angles should cancel out.
Cabinetman
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That sounds like it was a fascinating experience Jacob, real back to basics stuff, my parents early Victorian Chippendale chairs were hand axed on the inside of the seat frames, it’s a quick way to remove timber I suppose.
I'm waiting to see what Mudman made, when he had a go at "match" planing a long time a go. Once perhaps?
I turned from amateur woodworker to a more trained version when I did a C&G carpentry and joinery course under the aegis of "Tops", having found myself briefly unemployed 1982. Quite brief - 6 months in the "Skill-centre", strict regime like an open prison, clocking in 8am - 4pm 5 days a week. It was all hand work, no machines not even a drill or grindstone, taught by elderly semi-retired very experienced tradesmen, on a syllabus evolved from the start of C&G in 19 century.
I was amazed to discover various basics which I'd never encountered in self taught earlier years of magazine reading, in fact I dumped a heap of them and haven't read one since. Lots of things - top of the list the rod which I'd never heard of, then simple things like how to use a mortice chisel, joiners axe, paring chisel, hours of sawing and planing, sharpening (nobody used jigs back then) etc etc. I was very lucky and am eternally grateful!
Using a rod is invaluable, (after first overall dimensions) then no more measuring and no errors just simple marking off shoulder lengths and fitting one bit to another.
I think you were very lucky to have been able to absorb old skills before they disappeared for ever.
I was at a Teacher training College in 1975, 3 years of almost none stop woodwork, we had an old guy who was the Technician, worked his whole life fitting out tram and railway carriages, there wasn’t much he didn’t know and was a better source of “how to” than the lecturers.
Before that the Woodwork teacher at school had spent most of his working life making shop and Bank fittings, brilliant guy with thumbs bent back from many hours of pushing a scraper. All their knowledge lost now.
Ian
