Refused Petrol

[Racers]

Hi, TTK

Rules are different to laws.

Once you have removed your gloves, helmet what do you do with them?


Pete

 

[TrimTheKing]

Hi, TTK

Rules are different to laws.

Once you have removed your gloves, helmet what do you do with them?


Pete

Very true mate, but if they are their rules who are we to argue, that's my point. As I see it, if it is done for security purposes then I think it's a reasonable request. Just MHO you understand.

I saw someone only last night at the Shell station at the end of the M602 do exactly what you describe without even being asked. Pulled up at pump next to me, removed gloves and lid, shoved gloves in lid and plonk lid on bike. Then he filled up, picked up lid/gloves and wandered in behind me, paid, re-clad himself and drove off.

I never gave it a second thought until today as I assumed that's what everyone did hence my questioning.

Like I said, no offence meant.

Cheers

Mark

 

[MickCheese]

To those that don't ride a bike 'just removing you helmet and gloves' is nothing. To those who do ride especially in winter when everything is wet and cold it is a major pain.

I ride about 25000 miles a year on a bike and am with Pete on this. I fill up every 135 miles, it is totally disproportionate to the amount of revenue lost to drive outs. As already said most bikes wont hold more than £20 worth of fuel.

Mick

 

[studders]

I find it hard to believe that removing a Helmet and Gloves can be quite that much of a pain but, not having had to do it, I'll have to accept your word that it is.
As far as Drive Offs go and, as an ex Manager of one of Croydons busiest service stations, I can tell you it isn't a case of just the odd Twenty quid. If it were then the expensive CCTV systems wouldn't have been necessary. To have that system potentially made pointless would be somewhat.... 'irritating'.
Bear in mind also that, at least when I was doing the job, if the Cashier could not give a description or License No then, as far as HO were concerned, there was no drive off and the loss was down to the Cashier. So I can understand some of them getting a bit 'tetchy' about not being able to get an ID.

 

[RogerS]

I can understand the need to be able to ID all customers and I stress 'all'. I'm surprised that a biker hasn't challenged this ruling in the courts as being discriminatory as I am assuming that a woman in a burka or other similar covering on part of the face does not have to remove it.

It's a bit like that Luxembourg chap who successfully challenged in the courts BA's discriminatory attitude towards all men when sitting next to other peoples' children on the plane...and more power to his elbow.

But then someone will say 'how many drive offs have taken place by women wearing burkas?' but then this brings in a whole new area of profiling and whether or not that is discriminatory. Always strikes me as daft making an 85 year old WASP lady take off her shoes at the security desk at the airport.

Which brings us full circle. If they have rules then they should be applied to everyone otherwise it is discriminatory.

 

[devonwoody]

I think there is a criminal law that requires that no males may cover their faces whatever situation you are in.

 

[StevieB]

Its a rule that has been in place for ages - there is even a sticker on the door of pretty much every petrol station you care to go into. Some places enforce it, some do not. Some bikers abide by it, some do not. Some, like myself, have a Caberg flip up helmet. I have it because I wear glasses but its useful in petrol stations. I fill up daily and am known to the cashiers so not a problem. At pertol stations other than my usual its 50-50 as to whether I get asked or not.

Its not bilking that they are worried about - its you pulling out a sawn-off shotgun and robbing the till. Its not bikers they are targeting, its criminals who pose as bikers to do the crime. Same applies in banks and building societies - you are asked to remove your helmet before entering for security - not because all bikers are a risk but becuase criminals will use it as a disguise.

Do I get narked when asked to do so - not really, just part of being a biker. Same as myopic car drivers on the phone, cyclists who dont look, pedestrians with a deathwish and so on. To them I am a maniac on two wheels who for tuppence will pull a wheelie and speed at 100mph past a primary school. To me they are all hazards to be avoided. They would argue against that stereotype and so would I on their view of me.

As for the Burka argument - gonna be a brave petrol attendant who takes that one on. Until criminals habitually start using the burka as a disguise I think we are going to have to live with a rule which is applied non-uniformly. Very few rules are - stop and search against young men, free drinks for females in nightclubs, different retirement ages for men and women and so on. Life aint fair - get used to it, deal with it and enjoy the fact you can still ride your bike in relative freedom.

Steve

 

[TrimTheKing]

I think there is a criminal law that requires that no males may cover their faces whatever situation you are in.

So balaclava's are illegal? And crash helmets, while being required by one law, are also illegal by another law?

Hmmmm, try again DW.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Its a rule that has been in place for ages - there is even a sticker on the door of pretty much every petrol station you care to go into. Some places enforce it, some do not. Some bikers abide by it, some do not. Some, like myself, have a Caberg flip up helmet. I have it because I wear glasses but its useful in petrol stations. I fill up daily and am known to the cashiers so not a problem. At pertol stations other than my usual its 50-50 as to whether I get asked or not.

Its not bilking that they are worried about - its you pulling out a sawn-off shotgun and robbing the till. Its not bikers they are targeting, its criminals who pose as bikers to do the crime. Same applies in banks and building societies - you are asked to remove your helmet before entering for security - not because all bikers are a risk but becuase criminals will use it as a disguise.

Do I get narked when asked to do so - not really, just part of being a biker. Same as myopic car drivers on the phone, cyclists who dont look, pedestrians with a deathwish and so on. To them I am a maniac on two wheels who for tuppence will pull a wheelie and speed at 100mph past a primary school. To me they are all hazards to be avoided. They would argue against that stereotype and so would I on their view of me.

As for the Burka argument - gonna be a brave petrol attendant who takes that one on. Until criminals habitually start using the burka as a disguise I think we are going to have to live with a rule which is applied non-uniformly. Very few rules are - stop and search against young men, free drinks for females in nightclubs, different retirement ages for men and women and so on. Life aint fair - get used to it, deal with it and enjoy the fact you can still ride your bike in relative freedom.

Steve

And there speaks the voice of reason!

=D>

 

[devonwoody]

Trim Balacarvas dont cover all your face :lol:

A good test would be to walk into your local cop shop in a belligerent manner wearing a complete mickey mouse head piece.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Trim Balacarvas dont cover all your face :lol:

Haha, fair play. But wouldn't something covering your whole face be counter productive to your ability to be a criminal? Unless it was some kind of two-way mirror affair?

 

[devonwoody]

Trim , try this.

walk into your local cop shop in a belligerent manner wearing a complete mickey mouse head piece.

 

[Digit]

Like most bikers I use a full face helmet, my latest one is the type that opens the whole front, including the chin piece.
Now to non bikers, as stated here, removing a helmet is a minor thing.
Oh no it ain't!
I wear spectacles, so to any non biker I would ask them to try this simple test, try putting a helmet on with your specs on, you could end up minus your ears.
Helmets, to be effective have to be quite tight fitting and usually have voids in them to accommodate your lugs, so by the time you've got the helmet on your ears are turned down like Flopsy Bunny!
Then you've still got to get your specs on!
By the time I've removed my specs, taken off my helmet, found my hearing aid and fired it up most police officers have wandered off in search of other customers.
Then there's the gloves of course!

Roy.

 

[Vormulac]

I'm not a biker, but my best mate is and watching him getting gimped-up ready to set off on his bike it certainly does look as though removing any piece of the outfit would be a major undertaking.

I agree that rules should be applied across the board.

 

[devonwoody]

I think the original bikers helmets were just skull covers? Recognition then would not have been a problem.

These days with drug runners flying around the suburbs I can see some cause for concern with the latest headgear and CCTV.

 

[Benchwayze]

Most places I go I get asked to cover my Boat Race?

Well Studders, you shoulda learned to row without bumping into things! :lol: :lol: :lol:

My son is a biker. He came in unexpectedly the other evening and I thought Darth Vader had walked in. (Son makes Dave Prowse look like a midget!).


His 'bike-bird' wears an imitation German WWll helmet!


John :wink:

 

[bugbear]

Same as myopic car drivers on the phone, cyclists who dont look, pedestrians with a deathwish and so on. To them I am a maniac on two wheels who for tuppence will pull a wheelie and speed at 100mph past a primary school. To me they are all hazards to be avoided. They would argue against that stereotype and so would I on their view of me.

Landlord! A pint of tolerance all round!

(nicely said, StevieB)

BugBear

 

[Benchwayze]

I think the original bikers helmets were just skull covers? Recognition then would not have been a problem.

These days with drug runners flying around the suburbs I can see some cause for concern with the latest headgear and CCTV.

The old style 'Pilots Helmet' is still legal Woody. But bikers who wear them, also wear a face-mask, which goes part-way to doing what a 'full-face' helmet does.

John

 

[Benchwayze]

Like most bikers I use a full face helmet, my latest one is the type that opens the whole front, including the chin piece.
Now to non bikers, as stated here, removing a helmet is a minor thing.
Oh no it ain't!
I wear spectacles, so to any non biker I would ask them to try this simple test, try putting a helmet on with your specs on, you could end up minus your ears.
Helmets, to be effective have to be quite tight fitting and usually have voids in them to accommodate your lugs, so by the time you've got the helmet on your ears are turned down like Flopsy Bunny!
Then you've still got to get your specs on!
By the time I've removed my specs, taken off my helmet, found my hearing aid and fired it up most police officers have wandered off in search of other customers.
Then there's the gloves of course!

Roy.

Roy,
Are you quite sure you still want to be bothered? That's one reason I went back to 4 wheels. And SWIMBO of course had her say in things! Saved a fortune in protective gear. (Which I now spend on petrol for the guzzler!)

John :wink:

 

[Digit]

Two wheels good, four wheels bad! :lol:
(With apologies to Mr Orwell!)
The main disadvantage of the 'Pilot' type helmet is that they are a fly and Wasp trap!

Roy.