NOooo

[Jake]

Completely the opposite, I totaly accept that in the grand scheme of things I am just one very small microscopic fish in a huge ocean and that this also applies to the human race, infact even more miniscule as the universe is so many magnitudes larger. The issue comes when people cannot accept this thought, they believe they are better than the average so try and stand out. The worst examples are titles like sir and baroness which belong in the history books as part of a pigeon holed society that is thankfully coming apart.

Sorry did you say something?

 

[pip1954]

If you check out her history she had two apprenticeship both with top end guitar makers and has combined story telling along with guitar making to get her to where she is now and is very well known in guitar world, she must be very good at what she does she describes herself as a Luthian (might have spelt that wrong ) guitar maker .

 

[Paddy Roxburgh]

Stumpy nubs never puts out videos where he is posing in a 'manly' way. Pretty much all of his videos are pictures of the workpiece or tool in question. Neither does WorkshopCompanion, unless you are into aprons. Neither does the swedish maker or lincoln street woodworks or any of the other I watch.

I want to know what they are making, not what they look like. If they put a click bait title or image then I don't watch. If the video is a guy in a tight top flexing his guns, I'd call it out just the same and avoid watching that.

I just looked at stumpy’s channel. Loads of the thumbnails have pictures of him in them, looking rather fetching

 

[Dabop]

What's hilarious to me as an Aussie, is that many here don't seem to realise that video was shot in Australia...

In the middle of bloody SUMMER!!!!

(and going by the trees in the background she's not in Victoria either- likely around Brisbane or further north but closer to the coast than I am... its semitropical or tropical rainforest)

To give you an idea, today it was over 38C here (thats 98F for the hogheads in cubits people) and thats been one of the cooler days this summer thanks to the cyclone...

(plus she's wearing quite a 'conservative' top for here lol- I see far smaller ones walking down the main street every day...)


(I spent the day in my own workshop, rebuilding a small Briggs and Stratton motor for a rideon, only thing I been wearing all day was a pair of shorts- I doubt Youtube would have allowed her to post the video if she had been dressed like me lol)

Its after 1am here ATM, having a few brews lol- and its STILL 26C (79F) and still in my shorts AND with the fan going...

 

[Eshmiel]

What's hilarious to me as an Aussie, is that many here don't seem to realise that video was shot in Australia...

In the middle of bloody SUMMER!!!!

(and going by the trees in the background she's not in Victoria either- likely around Brisbane or further north but closer to the coast than I am... its semitropical or tropical rainforest)

To give you an idea, today it was over 38C here (thats 98F for the hogheads in cubits people) and thats been one of the cooler days this summer thanks to the cyclone...

(plus she's wearing quite a 'conservative' top for here lol- I see far smaller ones walking down the main street every day...)


(I spent the day in my own workshop, rebuilding a small Briggs and Stratton motor for a rideon, only thing I been wearing all day was a pair of shorts- I doubt Youtube would have allowed her to post the video if she had been dressed like me lol)

Its after 1am here ATM, having a few brews lol- and its STILL 26C (79F) and still in my shorts AND with the fan going...

Strewth! That bloke's got no hides!

Get dressed immediately before someone here gets too excited for their own good by your unhidden aspect. Even the description you make of yoursen is going to get some Y-fronts in a knot.

 

[JSW]

Strewth! That bloke's got no hides!

Get dressed immediately before someone here gets too excited for their own good by your unhidden aspect. Even the description you make of yoursen is going to get some Y-fronts in a knot.

Whatever floats your boat

 

[johnnyb]

2 apprenticeships seems greedy! How long is a luthier apprenticeship? 4 years? So 8 years training? Very impressive. There used to be a school of guitar making in Totnes years ago. Many acoustic guitarists still play old Martins from the 20s and thirties. Martin carthy and many others love those guitars but it's beyond my knowledge what makes those desirable or even how much there worth(there a rare thing) even mass produced gibsons were very well thought off. Maybe the bespoke makers fill in for the lack of available vintage instruments(blues men often played parlour guitars not dreadnoughts)

 

[johnnyb]

It's such a mature craft it's hard to imagine how you go about improving on things. Certainly the material quality will be inferior to a hundred years ago(if its like every other craft)
The soundboard choice was between pine and cedar , cedar being a new kid on the block. Maybe she's exploring the range of Australian exotics(I guess the soundboard are brought from Europe or maybe North America for cedar.)

 

[Eshmiel]

Whatever floats your boat

My boat floats on the froth & spume of internettery burble and fizz, even through the sturm und drang of a Jacob squall or the large gasps of excitement-wind from avid You Tube vid watchers of bare-armed woodworkers, which only pushes at my sails. I have noticed a few leaks and a bit of plank-rot, though. Also, the rudder came adrift and floated orf years ago.

 

[Orraloon]

It's such a mature craft it's hard to imagine how you go about improving on things. Certainly the material quality will be inferior to a hundred years ago(if its like every other craft)
The soundboard choice was between pine and cedar , cedar being a new kid on the block. Maybe she's exploring the range of Australian exotics(I guess the soundboard are brought from Europe or maybe North America for cedar.)

Plenty good timbers for instrument making here. A lot of the luthiers here are trying out local tone woods and a good thing too. I have chatted a few times with this luthier at music festivals and he was kind enough to encourage my very humble efforts.
Gladstone Guitars - Home

 

[Dabop]

It's such a mature craft it's hard to imagine how you go about improving on things. Certainly the material quality will be inferior to a hundred years ago(if its like every other craft)
The soundboard choice was between pine and cedar , cedar being a new kid on the block. Maybe she's exploring the range of Australian exotics(I guess the soundboard are brought from Europe or maybe North America for cedar.)

Cedar is (well was) one of the more prolific timbers from when I was living in northern NSW and was the major source of income in the area for much of its history...

https://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/technology/industry/display/21865-cedar-log-memorial
The first house I owned was about 15km from the cedar log at Lismore City Hall...

The Red Cedar Loop in the Border ranges has possibly the largest red cedar left in the area, at nearly 50m high...
https://www.visitnsw.com/destinations/north-coast/lismore-area/attractions/red-cedar-loop

There is still cedar logging, but it is much more controlled these days than what it was then...

Pine is also very common in Australia (in fact it is more common these days than cedar) and is commonly used in the housing industry for framing- with both native pines and introduced species around in tree plantations...

In fact one of the oldest pine species in Australia was only fairly recently rediscovered (it had been thought extinct since the time of the dinosaurs) and only a couple of hundred km from Sydney!!!! ie the Wollemi pine, found in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney...

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/plants-and-animals/wollemi-pine

 

[Orraloon]

Some of the other ancient pines rate very high as tone wood for instrument making.
Guitar from bunya pine - Google Search
Regards
John

 

[Agent_zed]

Omfg, are some of you really freaking out because she has a sleeveless top on? She’s hardly twerking over the bench vice.

I'm not sure about anyone else but I don't believe anyone is 'freaking out'. It would appear you are the only one to raise the temperature of the conversation.

It's hardly 'freaking out' to simply avoid videos that from the thumbnail appear to be using known techniques to manipulate higher views in favour of thumbnails that appear more representative of what I want to know.

 

[Agent_zed]

She seems to have provoked you!

Is that what you do?

Surprise surprise!

But you don't choose your looks. Do think she should wear a mask or something?

I thought it was YT about sharpening. You and others seem to think otherwise and will have certainly generated more clicks!

'She seems to have provoked you!'

Yes, I'm livid! ...or maybe just passing the time with a vague statement on a video using a thumbnail that is more about the person than the subject at hand.

'Is that what you do?'

Yes, like most people. If i go to job interview I am expected to turn up in a shirt and tie. I could turn up in a vest top and shorts but I would likely be judged negatively. Everyone judges everyone all of the time.

'Surprise surprise!'

Not that surprising. I've built a guitar and watch a lot of videos on guitar making. She makes videos about guitar making, youtube shows you videos of people making guitars. Not all her videos have clickbait thumbnails.

'But you don't choose your looks. Do think she should wear a mask or something?'
But you do choose your 'look'. If you post videos with thumbnails with your top half open then you entirely chosen to use your looks to attract attention. If every single video has a thumbnail with your face on it then you have chosen to market your brand with your looks.

'I thought it was YT about sharpening. You and others seem to think otherwise and will have certainly generated more clicks!'

I've already said after watching the video that it is not as good as others as it does not focus on the actual sharpening part in many shots. (the entire point of the video). Which comes full circle to my original point that I don't tend to click on thumbnails that are trying to pull me in with things that have nothing to do with the subject.

 

[Dabop]

'She seems to have provoked you!'

Yes, I'm livid! ...or maybe just passing the time with a vague statement on a video using a thumbnail that is more about the person than the subject at hand.

'Is that what you do?'

Yes, like most people. If i go to job interview I am expected to turn up in a shirt and tie. I could turn up in a vest top and shorts but I would likely be judged negatively. Everyone judges everyone all of the time.

'Surprise surprise!'

Not that surprising. I've built a guitar and watch a lot of videos on guitar making. She makes videos about guitar making, youtube shows you videos of people making guitars. Not all her videos have clickbait thumbnails.

'But you don't choose your looks. Do think she should wear a mask or something?'
But you do choose your 'look'. If you post videos with thumbnails with your top half open then you entirely chosen to use your looks to attract attention. If every single video has a thumbnail with your face on it then you have chosen to market your brand with your looks.

'I thought it was YT about sharpening. You and others seem to think otherwise and will have certainly generated more clicks!'

I've already said after watching the video that it is not as good as others as it does not focus on the actual sharpening part in many shots. (the entire point of the video). Which comes full circle to my original point that I don't tend to click on thumbnails that are trying to pull me in with things that have nothing to do with the subject.

So you work in your workshop wearing a suit and tie???

What she is wearing is clothing seen on any Aussie street at any time, so common clothes found in Australia... (not 'top half open' sexist prudity crap) hell, she's being positively 'plain Jane' in her appearance lol

Youtube actively downplays thumbnails with no person visible in them, (a point brought up on several channels I am a subscriber to btw) so if you don't appear in the thumbnail, then your channel won't be suggested as often as one that does have a person in shot...

So if anything, it's youtubes policies and algorithms that are at fault...
(and some peoples attempts at '**** shaming'...)

 

[Agent_zed]

Youtube actively downplays thumbnails with no person visible in them, (a point brought up on several channels I am a subscriber to btw) so if you don't appear in the thumbnail, then your channel won't be suggested as often as one that does have a person in shot...

No it doesn't. I've just searched 'woodworking' and the vast majority of the videos suggested are close up pictures of the workpiece in question. The youtube 'shorts' have more people's faces in them (likely that it is returning ones that it thinks I would like e.g WorkshopCompanion) but the main videos don't.

What she is wearing is clothing seen on any Aussie street at any time, so common clothes found in Australia

I don't live in Australia

(and some peoples attempts at '**** shaming'...)

She can wear what she wants and I can have any opinion I want if it is being presented at me in the hope of getting more attention/clicks out of me.

So if anything, it's youtubes policies and algorithms that are at fault...

No. Not everyone uses their face/appearance in the video thumbnails. In fact most of the woodworking videos I watch don't have anyone pictured in the thumbnail. They are pictures of the workpiece, which is the entire point of me choosing and watching the video. As long as the person presenting the video is telling and showing me the things I need to know I don't care if they are male or female. You can normally tell in the first 20 secs if the video is going to be any good.

It's an interesting conversation as I find it somehow weird that I should completely ignore the content of the thumbnail of a woodworking video. I'm not sure how others judge what videos to watch but It would seem the entire point of the thumbnail image is to give visual context to the topic of the video, at least that is how I use them. If the topic is 'Guitar tone wood' and there is a choice between a thumbnail of a guitar and a thumbnail of a woman (or man) as the majority of the image with the guitar as a prop, then I'm going to choose the first one. Experience tells me the one pushing their own image is likely not as good as the one without. Others may think differently.

 

[Dabop]

No it doesn't. I've just searched 'woodworking' and the vast majority of the videos suggested are close up pictures of the workpiece in question. The youtube 'shorts' have more people's faces in them (likely that it is returning ones that it thinks I would like e.g WorkshopCompanion) but the main videos don't.


I don't live in Australia


She can wear what she wants and I can have any opinion I want if it is being presented at me in the hope of getting more attention/clicks out of me.


No. Not everyone uses their face/appearance in the video thumbnails. In fact most of the woodworking videos I watch don't have anyone pictured in the thumbnail. They are pictures of the workpiece, which is the entire point of me choosing and watching the video. As long as the person presenting the video is telling and showing me the things I need to know I don't care if they are male or female. You can normally tell in the first 20 secs if the video is going to be any good.

It's an interesting conversation as I find it somehow weird that I should completely ignore the content of the thumbnail of a woodworking video. I'm not sure how others judge what videos to watch but It would seem the entire point of the thumbnail image is to give visual context to the topic of the video, at least that is how I use them. If the topic is 'Guitar tone wood' and there is a choice between a thumbnail of a guitar and a thumbnail of a woman (or man) as the majority of the image with the guitar as a prop, then I'm going to choose the first one. Experience tells me the one pushing their own image is likely not as good as the one without. Others may think differently.

And yet it IS a common complaint by youtubers (including as I said) some on my subscription list) that any video without a person in the thumbnail is substantially lower in viewer numbers that those with one...

What YOU want isn't what youtubes algorithms demand...

Most youtubers use a system designed to get the most views (and indeed there are tools available on youtube to help them increase their viewer numbers eg by selecting a number of thumbnails and showing which gets the most clicks)

LOL- even in that example note the 'nonperson' thumbnails lost out...

And if you are running a youtube channel- well following your advice would be a 'bad move' lol

 

[Inspector]

Chuck a Burka on the poor girl then. Problem with that is she'll be mistaken for Muslim and Westerners won't watch.

I usually have a hard time watching videos from end to end because of the delivery. They usually make me squirm and I bail. The young lady was easy to listen to and follow even if the methods are not necessarily how I work. What she looked like and her attire never came into it. If I ran across another of her videos I'd likely watch if interested in the subject matter. Can't say the same for tons of other videos being linked on forums.

Pete