Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Paradoxically, one of the many benefits of EU membership was to re-unite the so-called United Kingdom!
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Terry - Somerset
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Discussion of Brexit is an emotive waste of time. Remainers are still justifiably bitter about the process and "lies" that lead to the OUT vote. Those Brexiteers who still have the cojones to stick their heads above the parapet tell us the best is yet to come.
Boris and Co made a better job of selling the glass half full benefits - Remainers mistakenly in glass half empty mode focussed on the problems, not the positive benefits of membership.
Any energy devoted to our relationship with Europe should concentrate on eliminating the problems created, not bemoaning that which has already happened. Find solutions!!
This may one day lead to re-joining an EU wide organisation, although I think it unlikely in the next decade. An attempt in the next few years is likely to place greater constraints and costs upon the UK than when we left - we do not have a strong negotiating position.
More selective integration of trade, travel etc is possible. The EU may evolve over the next decade - take on the characteristics of a fully federal state or retreat somewhat - the UK is not alone in strong anti-EU sentiments. Memories will fade, those in power and demographics will change.
Boris and Co made a better job of selling the glass half full benefits - Remainers mistakenly in glass half empty mode focussed on the problems, not the positive benefits of membership.
Any energy devoted to our relationship with Europe should concentrate on eliminating the problems created, not bemoaning that which has already happened. Find solutions!!
This may one day lead to re-joining an EU wide organisation, although I think it unlikely in the next decade. An attempt in the next few years is likely to place greater constraints and costs upon the UK than when we left - we do not have a strong negotiating position.
More selective integration of trade, travel etc is possible. The EU may evolve over the next decade - take on the characteristics of a fully federal state or retreat somewhat - the UK is not alone in strong anti-EU sentiments. Memories will fade, those in power and demographics will change.
The bottom line is either way the vote went we would still be getting just as much complaining. The only deluded people are those who expected the other ‘half’ to suddenly suck it up and accept the result.
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
Like the 20% now who expect the other 80% to suck it up?
ey_tony
Established Member
Millions of people actually choose to live on benefits rather than work....this isn't fake news, it's reality. Why do you think they do that?
I could never do that myself but I suppose I can see why many would.
Benefits are a safety net and providing one has no aspirations of bettering oneself then I can see the attraction of living on benefits in that if they can manage the basic things in life such as paying the rent and council tax, basic heating/cooking with money for food then it must be a very unpressured way of life. Basically their quality of lifestyle can't really go down as benefits generally increase to match inflation so as I've said, many choose it as a way of life and let the taxpayers subsidise their lifestyle choice.
I thought my days of paying for the raising of children was long gone but myself and millions of taxpayers are paying to raise other people's children because they can't be bothered to go out and find work. This is one of the serious failings of socialism.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
It's fake news. In reality benefits are tightly controlled and not a matter of choice.
woodieallen
Established Member
Think you'll find that there is a reduction in Council Tax if you are on benefits.
