Phil Pascoe
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Why should my taxes be used to build houses for people I don't want here? I know I have no option but I'm just wondering.
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I would rather affordable housing was build rather than the Bekingham Palaces that seem to be the standard fare of developers today outside of cities. Only one of my three kids have managed to buy their own homes and that was after moving to Cardiff.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Because otherwise they would be homeless.
Phil Pascoe
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Affordable housing and large social housing estates are being built around here, mainly to house incomers. Council estates are 50% owned by up Country city councils, so they can get rid of tenants they don't want. The population has doubled since the last hospital was built, it's been extended but several small ones have been closed.
Phil Pascoe
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They can go home, I really don't care.
Jacob
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You'd probably care a bit more if you noticed the number of immigrants working e.g. for the NHS at every level; about 20%.
They are desperately needed there and elsewhere.
Terry - Somerset
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Council house building also gave us the joys of pre-cast reinforced concrete, high rise, streets in the sky, estates built to low quality standards on the edge of towns with poor links etc. Many now demolished as failing structurally or fundamentally flawed design and execution.
Pre-fabs were actually a good idea to meet a short term need, but still in use 30+ years later.
Many parts of the country with the greatest levels of social deprivation and poverty are in areas where council house building dominated. Whether due to the folk that live there, or design and location of the developments limiting access to jobs, infrastructure etc is debatable.
But to assert that council housing was highly successful is a nonsense. It met a short term need post war for slum clearance and housing for those displaced by conflict. At best a judgement would now rate that which was achieved as very variable - some excellent, a lot woeful.
If you smell crackling it's crashed
Thatcher bought votes plain and simple no other agenda there was a report written pre the policy which concluded at the time council house tenants 2:1 voted labour, owner occupiers 2:1 tory
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Private enterprise has failed to provide the necessary. Why do you think this is?
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
Only becuase our governments over the years have made it that way. 300,000 + immigrants working in the NHS? We imported four times that last year.
monster
Established Member
Nah, just go private and get a better service.
Yeah but given 635,000 died in the UK last year I think we need the numbers to fill vacancies.
And 585,000 emigrated, and only 605,000 were born.
Even the most rightest of right wing tory members isn't going to get 605 thousand babies into gainful employment anytime soon.
John Brown
Freeloading Social media influenza
Better food, better accommodation, shorter waits, same doctors. Just paying to jump the queue, really.
Not that I can blame anyone who can afford to.
In cities, build up. Stop building into the suburbs. 2-3 bedroom council apartments in the cities with schools and hospitals built to manage the expansion of the population. Expanded population in a central location improves the local economy. Increases demand on goods increases number of vacancies.
Lobby guards to stop the druggies gaining access. Strict enforcement if a rental contract which basically states if you are a nuisance to your neighbours and receive 3 strikes, you can go find a bridge to sleep under.
Lobby guards to stop the druggies gaining access. Strict enforcement if a rental contract which basically states if you are a nuisance to your neighbours and receive 3 strikes, you can go find a bridge to sleep under.
The UK issue may be this:
Claiming Benefits (Inc Pension, which for many is not a benefit) 20m
Public Sector Employees 5.7m
Private Sector Paying Tax 26.3m
A possible Solution
More Stringent Benefit Testing
Reduced Public Sector
Increased Private Sector paying Tax
Claiming Benefits (Inc Pension, which for many is not a benefit) 20m
Public Sector Employees 5.7m
Private Sector Paying Tax 26.3m
A possible Solution
More Stringent Benefit Testing
Reduced Public Sector
Increased Private Sector paying Tax
Terry - Somerset
Established Member
Immigration may be a short term expedient to deliver vital services, but long term unsustainable.
The demands of a population need to be balanced with resources available - over the last two decades, housebuilding has barely kept pace with population increases. Hence little improvement to housing stock quality, reduced prices or rents, availability of social or private rentals.
The UK has a demographic challenge - reproduction rates are below replacement levels, and medical science is extending life span. The result - ever fewer workers supporting an aging and increasing population - immigration fills the gaps.
There is no consensus in understanding how UK society may evolve with the introduction of AI and other changes, and no coherent plan to balance demand for labour with supply:
The demands of a population need to be balanced with resources available - over the last two decades, housebuilding has barely kept pace with population increases. Hence little improvement to housing stock quality, reduced prices or rents, availability of social or private rentals.
The UK has a demographic challenge - reproduction rates are below replacement levels, and medical science is extending life span. The result - ever fewer workers supporting an aging and increasing population - immigration fills the gaps.
There is no consensus in understanding how UK society may evolve with the introduction of AI and other changes, and no coherent plan to balance demand for labour with supply:
- increase pension age materially
- those unable to work to get the same benefits as those below pension age
- incentivise work post pension age - allow tax free earnings up to (say) £10k pa to encourage part time working, greater incentives to defer pension
- those not in work not job hunting - training, career advice, back to work schemes, withdrawal of benefits etc
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
It's been going on for thousands of years. You are a descendent of immigrants yourself; could be one, ten, fifty generations back
Yes, from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
That's a very respectable communistic notion!
You're not going a bit lefty are you Terry?
Well yes we need a larger workforce to support our ever improving standard of living. Unfortunately slavery is out of fashion and these workers have to be treated like normal human beings, though the right try to do this on the cheap. Ditto their attitude to the indigenous working population - as near to slavery as society will allow.
Nothing new here - it has been the same problem since the start of the industrial revolution. The whole purpose of increasing productivity is to get more things done with fewer people.
It follows that something has to be done for those thus freed from work.
A comfortable retirement should be on offer but unfortunately these tend to be those at the bottom of the heap, manual workers etc with the least political power, and they don't get a fair deal.
Why when we have AI etc doing their work? Doesn't make sense, surely we should lower retirement age. That's the whole point of increased productivity: it means we need to do less work, at every level, from housework to the heights of industry.
Should be treated the same as everybody else
What for? We don't need the extra work - you've made that point yourself.
What for if there are no jobs? Better to let them retire gracefully.
Absolutely agree.
Blaming immigrants, the unemployed, the low paid, the homeless etc for their problems is the right wing denial of reality. For you it would seem that the most "uncomfortable solution" is to treat them well.
The whole point of industrial changes from the frame knitting to AI is to REDUCE the amount of work we need to do and INCREASE the amount we produce.
Generating ever more work is unsustainable.
In the recent past there used to be a lot of talk of the three day week just around the corner in our ever improving world. What happened to this idea?
Actually the answer is very simple. Take a look at the lists of mega rich billionaires for starters.
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woodieallen
Established Member
You've said this so, so many times before. So let's assume you can wave a magic wand and take all their money and divide it equally amongst the population of the world. What are you going to do with your £1.36? Or are you suggesting that we just divide up all their money between those in the UK ?
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
1 Where did you get your figure from? Can you show us the calculation?
2 Do you think wealth distribution as it currently is, is the best and fairest possible?
3 We've had 200 or more years of astronomically increasing productivity, how is it that we still have low wages, the poor and homeless?
4 Why is it that so many people are so happy to leap to the defence of the mega rich and their ill-gotten gains, even fabricating spurious argument which they don't understand themselves ?
https://www.jrf.org.uk/wealth-fundi...e/changing-the-narrative-on-wealth-inequality
