Evil cas....

[Digit]

no where near as bad as you make it out to be

Fair comment Moose, but that doesn't mean we should be happy with the situation does it?
The number of 'recorded' crimes now runs at about 5,000,000, just think about that, that means at least 5,000,000 victims.

Roy.

 

[big soft moose]

You are wrong on all counts, my friend

If you seriously think good decent people arent in the majority in the uk , then my opinion is that is a very sad state of affairs - but the problem is with your perception not with the reality.

I sugest we agree to differ and leave this one here

 

[Jake]

You obviously are oblivious, or live in a, 'Nice Area'

I live in New Cross, infamous enough in its own right and right next to Peckham. I am not oblivious in the slightest, I just don't swallow the rose tinted nostalgia stuff. There are a few people who are involved in some bad stuff, there always have been, they just get a whole lot more press.

 

[Digit]

Since 1980 Jake recorded crime in Wales has doubled.

Roy.

 

[big soft moose]

this from the british crime survey , shows that that is not the case on a ukwide(basis

Long-term trends show that BCS crime rose steadily from 1981 through to the early 1990s, peaking in 1995. Crime then fell, making 1995 a significant turning point. The fall was substantial until 2004/05. Since then, BCS crime has shown little overall change with the exception of a statistically significant reduction of 10% in 2007/08 (the lowest ever level since the first results in 1981). The apparent increase of 5% in BCS crime this year is not statistically significant. Trends in BCS violence, vehicle-related theft and burglary broadly reflect the trend in all BCS crime.

 

[Digit]

I live in Wales.

Roy.

 

[dicktimber]

You can only lead a horse to water.......

I hope your fantasy world continues....
but please get involved in society, so the next time this is discussed you have first hand experience, not just an opinion to disbelieve the press reports, which seems to be the only source of information you have received on the subject.

Take care
I'm out of this one.

 

[Jake]

I take it the statistics weren't to your taste?

 

[big soft moose]

You can only lead a horse to water.......

I hope your fantasy world continues....
but please get involved in society, so the next time this is discussed you have first hand experience, not just an opinion to disbelieve the press reports, which seems to be the only source of information you have received on the subject.

Take care
I'm out of this one.

see there you go again - I do have first hand expereince, having been a ranger in milton keynes and before that basildon I have extensive experience of the very worst society can offer including the aftermaths of rapes, muggings, child abductions , assaults, gang fights etc not to mention vandalism, theft, and such - in fact on a number of incidents experienced basis I would be prepared to wager that my experience is considerably greater than yours. (given that jake is a lawyer i would suspect he also isnt exactly unversed in the nature of british criminality)

the difference is that I dont choose to judge everyone by the low moral standard that the perprators set - when you are heavily involved in an enforcemnt role you also see the very best - including people who go out of their way to help victims and aprehend perpetrators sometimes at no small risk to themselves

I dont deny that there are some horrible horrible people in the uk today - but these people are not typical of the uk population and thus their actions do not indicate that the country itself is going down hill, broken, going to the dogs etc

 

[Digit]

Me? If so no, a 100 per cent rise isn't to my liking. Equally I'm not bothered what the crime figures were Regency England, currently in America or somewhere out east.
I live in Wales.

Roy.

 

[big soft moose]

Me? If so no, a 100 per cent rise isn't to my liking. Equally I'm not bothered what the crime figures were Regency England, currently in America or somewhere out east.
I live in Wales.

Roy.

i think jakes comment was directed at dick

with regard to the welsh crime figures according to this crime in the dyfed powys force area (you area i believe) has reduced by 16.2% compared to the same 3 month period last year , it is also down in the course of the last 12 months

 

[Digit]

Haven't seen the latest Moose so in no way would I argue, but I would point out that these figures are much like inflation figures.
Last month's inflation was 5 per cent, this month zero, that mean purchases are still 5 per cent dearer than they were three months ago.
We have a long way to go before the figures drop to what they were thirty years ago.

Roy.

 

[big soft moose]

Haven't seen the latest Moose so in no way would I argue, but I would point out that these figures are much like inflation figures.
Last month's inflation was 5 per cent, this month zero, that mean purchases are still 5 per cent dearer than they were three months ago.
We have a long way to go before the figures drop to what they were thirty years ago.

Roy.

no argument there roy, and ive no problem with the point that there is too much crime in the uk (lets face it any crime is too much for most people) - my issue with what dick was saying was the idea that the country itself or the predominant number of its people were somehow sliding into an abyss

 

[Digit]

I'm knackered, I ended up talking rubbish earlier about electrics and I might still be doing it Moose, but I didn't read the idea into what Dick wrote to suggest that a predominant number of people etc.
The figures that government quote that are dropping tend to be violent crimes, and I applaud that. But consider this, if the murder rate was to double, still very few people would be affected, it's anti social behaviour, muggings, Saturday night boozing, burglaries and car theft that hit the majority.
And the justice system considers them as minor crimes, and in many cases people don't now even bother to report them.

Roy.