Evil cas....

[studders]

I found both disgusting and would happily remove the testicles of the offenders with a blunt blade.

 

[Noel]

On a wider point, is it still true that more money is donated to animal charities than the likes of Save the Children, NSPCC etc in the UK?

 

[Digit]

I think I covered that earlier Steve...

A helpless child, a helpless animal, I weep!

Why do you think the Bulger killers, the Moors Murderers etc , are so reviled?
Those who harm children are normally secluded within the prison system just to keep them in possession of two of every thing they were born with!

Roy.

 

[promhandicam]

On a wider point, is it still true that more money is donated to animal charities than the likes of Save the Children, NSPCC etc in the UK?

No. Not as bad as I thought - according to the Times


UK Charity Income (2006)

Cancer Research UK £344 million

Oxfam £177 million

National Trust £156 million

British Heart Foundation £130 million

Royal National Lifeboat Institution £108 million

NSPCC £93 million

Salvation Army £92 million

Macmillan Cancer Relief £90 million

RSPCA £80 million

Save the Children £79 million

 

[Digit]

Save the Children, NSPCC etc in the UK?

Well I can answer that in part Noel, I have never seen either charity rattling a collection can in the 20 years I've lived here.
That might have something to do with it I think.

Roy.

 

[Mike.C]

. . . but why does that mean you cannot feel for an animal who cannot defend itself (because its tied up) against a human with a gallon of petrol?

Don't get me wrong - I think that what was done to the dog in Liverpool was dreadful. My reason for my original post was to try to understand how people who feel very strongly about cruelty to an animal would feel about similarly cruel acts being carried out on, for example an Albino child who cannot defend itself. My impression is that people in the UK are more disturbed by a story like the one that Digit posted than the one that I posted a link to. If that is correct, I find myself asking what can charities working in developing countries do to help raise awareness and provoke similar feelings of indignation and disgust to those shown for the dog.

Steve

Hi Steve, I cannot believe that anyone would not be struck with horror on reading about what happened to that poor Albino girl, but it seems that you are on the front line so to speak, so it must happen.
How do you make people in the UK care? Shock, show them exactly what happens on tv adverts, just like some animal charities do.

Believe me I can see why you would get frustrated if people show more care for animals then they do children in these countries.

Cheers

Mike

 

[Mike.C]

I found both disgusting and would happily remove the testicles of the offenders with a blunt blade.

Steve why are you always so violent :?: :lol:

Cheers

Mike

 

[big soft moose]

. . . but why does that mean you cannot feel for an animal who cannot defend itself (because its tied up) against a human with a gallon of petrol?

Don't get me wrong - I think that what was done to the dog in Liverpool was dreadful. My reason for my original post was to try to understand how people who feel very strongly about cruelty to an animal would feel about similarly cruel acts being carried out on, for example an Albino child who cannot defend itself. My impression is that people in the UK are more disturbed by a story like the one that Digit posted than the one that I posted a link to. If that is correct, I find myself asking what can charities working in developing countries do to help raise awareness and provoke similar feelings of indignation and disgust to those shown for the dog.

Steve

Hi Steve, I cannot believe that anyone would not be struck with horror on reading about what happened to that poor Albino girl, but it seems that you are on the front line so to speak, so it must happen.
How do you make people in the UK care? Shock, show them exactly what happens on tv adverts, just like some animal charities do.

Believe me I can see why you would get frustrated if people show more care for animals then they do children in these countries.

Cheers

Mike

i suspect the difference in reaction is because the dog is happening here , wheras joe public only has a tenuous grasp of where burundi is ( south of rwanda bordering tanzania and the congo ? ) and therefore can comfortably turn a blind eye.

if albino children were being hacked apart for "medicine" in liverpool the country would be in uproar

 

[Digit]

Such is not limited to Africa...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 52561.html


...with no one brought to account and the child without even a name.

Roy.

 

[studders]

Steve why are you always so violent :?: :lol:

Cheers

Mike

Sorry

 

[Mike.C]

Such is not limited to Africa...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 52561.html


...with no one brought to account and the child without even a name.

Roy.

You got there before me Roy :lol:

Cheers

Mike

 

[studders]

therefore can comfortably turn a blind eye.

I was with you with the exception of this bit? P'raps that's not quite how it was meant to read?

 

[Digit]

And it would seem that the ID of Venables has been discovered by the cons serving with him according to the Sun.
He will discover that they have a different code of justice to that practised by the legal system.

Roy.

 

[Mike.C]

And it would seem that the ID of Venables has been discovered by the cons serving with him according to the Sun.
He will discover that they have a different code of justice to that practised by the legal system.

Roy.

Oh yes broken glass in his pudding :lol: and that's before he gets chucked over the landing.

Cheers

Mike

 

[big soft moose]

therefore can comfortably turn a blind eye.

I was with you with the exception of this bit? P'raps that's not quite how it was meant to read?

I didnt mean that i comfortably turn a blind eye, but that joe public does - its very easy for the uninformed to say "oh bad things happen in africa, how terrible.... fancy another biscuit darling" but much harder to sleep comfortably when it is happening outside their front door.

 

[Digit]

He will not get off that lightly I assure you Mike. He'll be lucky not to end up in a boy's choir!

Roy.

 

[promhandicam]

i suspect the difference in reaction is because the dog is happening here , wheras joe public only has a tenuous grasp of where burundi is ( south of rwanda bordering tanzania and the congo ? ) and therefore can comfortably turn a blind eye.

I think that is the problem. I had a conversation some years ago with a BBC foreign correspondent on what is considered to be 'news' and commented that there seemed to be a sort of news league table ie. 1 person killed in an accident in London = 5 people killed in an accident in Paris = 50 people killed in the Middle East = 200 killed in Africa (unless of course a UK citizen is involved). He acknowledged that in general terms that was more or less how the BBC determined what was 'news'. Having had the World Service as my only source of news for many years I was surprised to find later that stories that were reported in some depth there went unreported in the mainstream media in the UK because the interests of the audience were different.

Things have obviously changed in recent years particularly with the advent of the internet and so we all have the ability to access far more 'news' than was imaginable previously, as Jake pointed out earlier in this thread. However just because we can read a story and see pictures of it now doesn't mean that it didn't occur in the past - we were just (blissfully) ignorant.

Steve

 

[Mike.C]

He will not get off that lightly I assure you Mike. He'll be lucky not to end up in a boy's choir!

Roy.

You mean he would end up a "Castrato" :lol:

Cheers

Mike

 

[Mike.C]

i suspect the difference in reaction is because the dog is happening here , wheras joe public only has a tenuous grasp of where burundi is ( south of rwanda bordering tanzania and the congo ? ) and therefore can comfortably turn a blind eye.

I think that is the problem. I had a conversation some years ago with a BBC foreign correspondent on what is considered to be 'news' and commented that there seemed to be a sort of news league table ie. 1 person killed in an accident in London = 5 people killed in an accident in Paris = 50 people killed in the Middle East = 200 killed in Africa (unless of course a UK citizen is involved). He acknowledged that in general terms that was more or less how the BBC determined what was 'news'. Having had the World Service as my only source of news for many years I was surprised to find later that stories that were reported in some depth there went unreported in the mainstream media in the UK because the interests of the audience were different.

Things have obviously changed in recent years particularly with the advent of the internet and so we all have the ability to access far more 'news' than was imaginable previously, as Jake pointed out earlier in this thread. However just because we can read a story and see pictures of it now doesn't mean that it didn't occur in the past - we were just (blissfully) ignorant.

Steve

Its a sad world when the body count depends if an accident or disaster would make the news or not

Cheers

Mike

 

[Digit]

Yep! A pip squeak! Body count has always been the determining factor Mike. Your home destroyed by a quake is harder than a 100 Chinese homes so destroyed, it's human nature.

Roy.