Electric vehicles

[ShavedSpoke]

Maybe that's because people have stopped buying EV's

Maybe.

Although I just bought a second one.

We've had a Zoe for nearly 6 years. Wife uses it daily for driving to work. Luckily we have a large drive, and it get's charged on cheap overnight rate. Costs pittance to run. We've maybe charged once a year on a public charger when the kids have been taken to grandparents in the summer holiday.

My EV gets delivered Monday. Sold the diesel Q5.

 

[paulrbarnard]

I live on the edge of a mill town in Lancashire. There are rows and rows of terraced properties and parking is a premium. Whoever gets home from work first gets the parking place sort of arrangement as there is not even sufficient space to have an agreement that the space in front of each house is 'reserved' for the home owner/ renter. How these people would manage to charge vehicles I have no idea. Multiply this by millions and you have the extent of the challenge.

Aren’t they supposed to walk to the mill?

 

[Blackswanwood]

True...there are reports but unless you dig down into how they went about the study, it's impossible to say just how accurate they might be. Also journalists are lazy and will copy stuff verbatim rather than question. I've already shown how one of the reports quoted as gospel by johnm80 is based on dodgy figures although he seems to be struggling to accept this.

But it’s a moot point unless you are just picking an argument for the sake of it. No one is saying that the number of homes that need access to a solution for charging is insignificant.

 

[John Brown]

Majority does just mean more than 50%, and I'd venture to suggest that most people understand that.
"Vast majority", on the other hand, is probably open to interpretation.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

How would that be enforceable ?

App could

• monitor when the parking space was free, or perhaps
• double charge any EV which overstayed its allotted time, or perhaps
• double charge + £25 (??) fine paid as a credit to the inconvenienced EV owner, or perhaps
• towed away/clamped by parking enforcement.

 

[AJB Temple]

Re enforceable: Based on the Tesla system (and I think dedicated chargers at Mercedes dealers are similar) the system already: identifies in real time how many chargers are free and conditions the battery ready to optimise charge; identifies the car on arrival; notifies the app in real time on car and phone how charge is progressing and warns when close to set charge limits; imposes a monetary penalty for overstaying (which I think is fair and necessary) and locks out the supercharger account for those who don't pay the "fine" (you have an account with card details on file, if you fail to maintain that they can lock out the chargers for your car). I am sure that it is not beyond the tech that it can allocate a charger bay to a vehicle that pre-books en route so that only that vehicle can charge as it will know how far away the vehicle is. The cars have inbuilt tracking and factory link anyway. Not difficult to enforce I suspect if they wanted to. Has not been necessary so far.

 

[Terrytpot]

At least it wasn't houses

Field Farm Homes estate in Stapleford…built on a flood plain. One of just many similar sites in the area which my brother in law was attracted to until I let him know the site’s history.

 

[Dabop]

Chargers at work, shops, gyms, theatres, hotels, car parks etc etc etc.

Even a few dedicated chargers in streets of terraced properties priced by time in charger space - with a reasonable charge rate an EV may only need (say) 2 hours charging once/twice a week. Could even have a smartphone booking app attached so that a charging slot can be booked.

That there is work required to improve the infrastructure is not doubted - but it is all entirely feasible.

There are privately owned chargers springing up in many public carparks (shopping centers etc) plus there is already an app that lets people use their privately owned driveway charger (7kw or more) be 'hired out' to others to use and they get paid for the usage (and make a small profit on each use as well lol)- just have the app on your phone and you can see any free available chargers located near you to be able to plug in and charge... (some enterprising souls have already had a charger fitted in their driveway, even though they don't even have an EV themselves!!!)
eg
https://co-charger.com/
ETA- check out their users map!!! (click on 'charge my EV' and then 'Users map')

Zoomed in on the London area, (note the distance scale bottom right!!!) and the number of available for rent open chargers (green)- AND they have numerous options for prebooking, unattended charging, and 'scheduled repeat charges' ie you can book a 'repeat charge' for up to a year ahead on a scheduled date and time!!!!

 

[Dabop]

There are privately owned chargers springing up in many public carparks (shopping centers etc) plus there is already an app that lets people use their privately owned driveway charger (7kw or more) be 'hired out' to others to use and they get paid for the usage (and make a small profit on each use as well lol)- just have the app on your phone and you can see any free available chargers located near you to be able to plug in and charge... (some enterprising souls have already had a charger fitted in their driveway, even though they don't even have an EV themselves!!!)
eg
https://co-charger.com/
ETA- check out their users map!!! (click on 'charge my EV' and then 'Users map')
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Zoomed in on the London area, (note the distance scale bottom right!!!) and the number of available for rent open chargers (green)- AND they have numerous options for prebooking, unattended charging, and 'scheduled repeat charges' ie you can book a 'repeat charge' for up to a year ahead on a scheduled date and time!!!!

Here's the missing map (it wouldn't load for some reason)

Considering the 'public' charger network, and privately owned ones available to rent out on apps like this- if you 'really' can't find a way to charge an EV- you probably shouldn't be driving ANY vehicle at all...
(possibly a person to help you dress in the morning might be needed as well lol)

Considering that not every person who owns a charger is willing to rent it out, and that the majority of those shown are an EV owner- the sheer number of chargers available just on that one app shows just how many EVs are out there already...

Click on the link in the previous post and have a wander around- they are EVERYWHERE... click on any green one, that will show the chargers charge rate, and how much it costs (most are considerably cheaper than the public chargers, although slower)- someone who simply has no possibility of having a charger on their own property could still readily take advantage of an EV anyway...

So charging as an 'issue' is simply a 'non issue'- even now...