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[Phil Pascoe]

My mother many years ago applied for PP to turn a near derelict cottage into a luxury house (£90,000, mid to late seventies). Eight times she was refused as she wished to move the main house a few away from a well which was inches from the original wall, the ninth she was allowed it ... on condition that she she moved it further away from the well.

If some of them had brains they'd be dangerous.


She was refused permission to build on a field because it was deemed likely to flood. A few months later they gave permission for lagoons on the other side of the road that were not deemed likely to overflow or cause any flooding - despite holding sixty million gallons. :? This plant would have had a truck in and out every three minutes, night and day ... and a neighbour was refused permission not long before this for a bungalow as ... yes, you've guessed ... the road was too busy, and it would increase the traffic.

Fortunately this developement never got off the ground.

Anyway, let's get back to tourists.

 

[Lons]

Anyway, let's get back to tourists.

No I'm out of that one Phil. If I wanted to look at juvenile cartoons, I'd buy the tabloids. :roll:

 

[Jacob]

It's been set to music!

 

[RobinBHM]

Im guessing the underlying sentiment here is the old argument of 'landed gentry' rich farmers V anti-establishment, Robin Hood brigade.

I dont think it is really relevant in this thread, those that are commenting about tourists causing a nuisance, are those with a bit of land adjacent to their house, not some farmer with 1,000 acres.

It is amazing how some people have no sensitivity for whether they are straying on private land.

Mind you Im also amazed at the strange places people are happy to park up and set up a picnic. Why do people stop at a layby next to a busy dual carriageway and do that.....

 

[Lons]

We need a new forum rule "please don't feed the troll"

 

[RobinBHM]

We need a new forum rule "please don't feed the troll"

I dont know what you mean

 

[gwr]

Hi does anyone have a spare coping stone I could have ? My chisels are in need of a sharpen

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Coping stones are good for flattening water stones on ...

 

[monkeybiter]

Trad!

 

[heimlaga]

In my oppinion both the "get of my land" gentry and the invasive tourists are just as wretched.
Boths sides would gain a lot from stepping down a bit and learning to behave and respect other people.

In Finland the right to roam goes back to prehistoric times and is still upheld. However it is a part of the deal that you are not allowed to damage crops nor trees nor fences and that you musn't drive any motorized vehicle offroad without asking the landowner first. It is also a part of the deal that as a legal trespasser you are expected to tell the landowner if you have seen a suspected poacher or a suspected illegal logger or squatter and to tell the police if you find an illegal hemp plantation. It is also a part of the deal that you must respect the landowner's right to privacy and not go too close to inhabited houses.

The system works pretty well.......... until wicked city people buy land and start chasing people away American style both from their own land and their neigfhbour's land....... and until landless yet equally wicked city people arrive with their ATVs and SUVs wrecking havoc and spreading litter on both public and private land....... and then hell breaks loose.

 

[Claymore]

...

 

[Jacob]

Widely seen as a good thing.
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/paths ... -roam.aspx

Result of a long hard battle which produced the National Parks amongst other things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_tres ... nder_Scout

No going back - it'll be extended in England too.
And no it doesn't permit you to walk through peoples' gardens.

 

[NazNomad]

I disagree with the right to roam anywhere as its private land ie I paid a lot of money for my own piece of land

Exactly what he said....

 

[Jacob]

It's all here for Scotland. 135 pages! but most of the basic stuff is at the front (pages 8,9)

http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/publications ... 20code.pdf

 

[Tasky]

As one of the primary landowners in London .... I thought happily as I drove off into the sunrise.

=D> =D> =D> =D>

they didn't and warned me to get it drilled and bolted to the wall as its an offence to have one lol

Have?
Not at all, even in Scotland.
Use to scare off tourists... perhaps.

they should move up here and have a relaxed lifestyle with no waiting for doctors/hospital and no police as they aren't needed but they still advertise for new recruits.

No gas, no internet... We're barely 'rural', yet lack a lot of things.

You only need to get stuck behind one tractor to label every farmer a nuisance. :-D

Plan your overtakes better... or don't drive a BMW/Audi and they'll actually let you past!!

NB it's perfectly true and fair comment what I said above about 4x4s. Simply a matter of fact in the Peak District where I live. I expect it goes on elsewhere too.

Round here the 4x4 clubs all clubbed together and bought some land, on which they purpose-built an off-roading course. The Mrs is considering joining them...

 

[Jacob]

......

NB it's perfectly true and fair comment what I said above about 4x4s. Simply a matter of fact in the Peak District where I live. I expect it goes on elsewhere too.

Round here the 4x4 clubs all clubbed together and bought some land, on which they purpose-built an off-roading course. The Mrs is considering joining them...

They've done that around here too, or got permission - in old quarries etc. Actually motor bike scrambling has been going on for years in chosen spots annoying nobody. It's only in the last 20 years or so that they (and 4x4s which are far more damaging) have started wrecking the landscape for everybody.

 

[Sheffield Tony]

I disagree with the right to roam anywhere as its private land ie I paid a lot of money for my own piece of land

Exactly what he said....

Well maybe in your cases. But most of the countryside is owned by people who paid nothing for it, but inherited it ultimately from people who just took it, driving out the people who lived there if need be. I feel strongly that we must defend such access to the countryside as we have, it was hard won. As such I always report obstructed roghts of way.

 

[RobinBHM]

Widely seen as a good thing.
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/paths ... -roam.aspx

Result of a long hard battle which produced the National Parks amongst other things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_tres ... nder_Scout

No going back - it'll be extended in England too.
And no it doesn't permit you to walk through peoples' gardens.

The link to rambler.org notes the following land can be walked over:
Mountain is land over 600m/1,969ft above sea level and other upland areas of rough, steep land with crags, scree, bare rock and associated vegetation.

Moor is unenclosed areas of semi-natural vegetation, including bog, rough acid grassland and calcareous grassland.

Heath is unenclosed areas of nutrient-poor soils that support acid-loving plants such as heather, gorse, bilberry and bracken.

Down is semi-natural, unimproved grasslands in chalk or limestone areas, perhaps also supporting scattered scrub.

Common land is land registered as common under the Commons Registration Act 1965.

However
No, even with the new freedom to roam in open countryside there are restrictions. First of all to qualify the land must be uncultivated mountain, moor, heath, down and common land, which has been officially mapped. This land is shown in yellow on Ordnance Survey Explorer maps. If you stray off this into domestic spaces, farmland or gardens you are trespassing. Land managers also have the right to close off areas of land for 28 days.

I think this thread commenting about 'wayward tourists' is referring to straying onto land that is not available for rambling......so you can tell them to gerrorf my land

 

[Lons]

I disagree with the right to roam anywhere as its private land ie I paid a lot of money for my own piece of land

Exactly what he said....

Well maybe in your cases. But most of the countryside is owned by people who paid nothing for it, but inherited it ultimately from people who just took it, driving out the people who lived there if need be. I feel strongly that we must defend such access to the countryside as we have, it was hard won. As such I always report obstructed roghts of way.

A right of way or properly established footpath should definitely be protected but unfortunately some of the users of those footpaths tend not to stick to them but rather wander all over the place irrespective of livestock and often allowing dogs off the lead. That also includes wandering aimlessly through planted crops making the ones they trample useless. They also throw large sticks for their which can get left behind and damages machinery. Farmers need to make a living like the rest of us.

It happens here and I've encountered it many many times during our travels in the UK and abroad. The rules and general respect is supposed to work both ways.

 

[NazNomad]

Plan your overtakes better... or don't drive a BMW/Audi and they'll actually let you past!!

I drive a Vauxhall.... and quite often the aforementioned tractor. :-D