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[NazNomad]

... the Grannies are the best as they say anything without thinking.

Never forget my Nan in Hay-on-Wye years ago, walking around every shop saying to bemused shopkeepers, ''I Am Spock''.

We were falling over laughing, I eventually got that book online. :-D

 

[Lons]

[Yes have been to Hadrians wall and yes personal experience involved and have had confrontations with some appalling land owners.
It's hardly a new idea that farmers can be some of the worst custodians of the landscape. Not least because they have the access and the power (and the EU subsidies - but not for long :lol: ) Not all of them of course.

Yes of course you have, as a tourist, maybe it was you nicking the stones. :wink: I've just been away for a few weeks but unlike you I don't consider myself to be "an expert" on all things Canadian or Alaskan just because I've been there on holiday. :roll:

I'm not defending farmers either, I know too many of them to do that but they're clearly another source of annoyance to you. They aren't all bad despite your prejudiced view.

How can anyone be surprised that you've introduced a political element into this thread as you never fail to oblige. (hammer)

 

[NazNomad]

You only need to get stuck behind one tractor to label every farmer a nuisance. :-D

 

[Lons]

Biggest problem we have in rural areas are the scrotes coming out from the rough town areas looking for easy pickings. They arrive in stolen cars looking to break in to houses, sheds and target farms for diesel and, tools and quads.

We're lucky, I'm surrounded by coppers so our village is very well policed.

 

[Jacob]

..... I've just been away for a few weeks but unlike you I don't consider myself to be "an expert" on all things Canadian or Alaskan just because I've been there on holiday.....

I've lived in the country nearly all my life - much longer than you've been in Canada or Alaska (I guess). I've also worked on farms.

...How can anyone be surprised that you've introduced a political element into this thread as you never fail to oblige....

Just having a laugh at farmers - many of them voted Brexit and if they get their way will have shot themselves in the foot big time. :lol:
Mind you there are already more foreign tourists coming to Britain thanks to the falling pound, so somebody will gain by it.

 

[Lons]

I've also worked on farms..

Then it was you who nicked the stones from Hadrians wall. (hammer)

 

[AJB Temple]

Jacob - I have had coping stones, stiles, troughs, topiary, pots....all kind of things stolen over the years. Clue: people sell it on eBay. Don't be so naive.

In a few cases I have the theft on CCTV. Police have bigger fish to fry apparently. Or are unwilling to risk confrontation.

 

[NazNomad]

... warned me to get it drilled and bolted to the wall as its an offence to have one...

As usual, Plod making up the Law as they go along.

Should have asked them to elaborate in detail and made them look like idiots (wouldn't have been too difficult as they had already started the ball rolling).

 

[RogerS]

....
.......yes personal experience involved and have had confrontations........

Now there's a surprise.

 

[Jacob]

I'm just sticking up for tourists and objecting to the dismal "gerrorf moy laand" brigade. We've had battles around here to keep footpaths open and remove Private Property notices. Campaigns to preserve field barns and dry stone walls - robbed of stones and allowed to go derelict by landowners themselves.

 

[RogerS]

I'm just sticking up for tourists and objecting to the dismal "gerrorf moy laand" brigade. We've had battles around here to keep footpaths open and remove Private Property notices. Campaigns to preserve field barns and dry stone walls - robbed of stones and allowed to go derelict by landowners themselves.

No, you're not. You've jumped on your political bigoted soapbox again.

 

[Jacob]

Mind you I agree about 4x4 drivers. Every possible green trail around here has been wrecked by 4x4 convoys. These were often beautiful tracks and trails used by farmers, horse riders, walkers, cyclists, for many years with no problems, now rutted and muddied up and sometimes impossible to use at all. A lot of them have had to be hard surfaced at taxpayers expense, just to allow a lot of fat berks in 4x4s to race around the country making a lot of noise.

 

[Lons]

Mind you I agree about 4x4 drivers. Every possible green trail around here has been wrecked by 4x4 convoys. These were often beautiful tracks and trails used by farmers, horse riders, walkers, cyclists, for many years with no problems, now rutted and muddied up and sometimes impossible to use at all. A lot of them have had to be hard surfaced at taxpayers expense, just to allow a lot of fat berks in 4x4s to race around the country making a lot of noise.

What a load of cr*p. Why don't you try trespassing on my little bit of land, I guarantee you won't be on it for long. :wink:
I agree with Rogers post, bigoted political views from a guy who's apparently been everywhere, worked in every trade and knows everything. What a surprise. :lol:

Some of the biggest vandals of old buildings are the planning authorities, at least the ones I've been involved with who in several instances have fought tooth and nail to stop grade 2 listed buildings to be renovated as they would rather they just fell down and have admitted so to my face. We won all of them during which of course they wasted taxpayers money including mine.
Of course I wouldn't presume to state that as a fact throughout the country. (hammer)

Bob

 

[Jacob]

"gerrorf moy laand" :lol: :lol:

NB it's perfectly true and fair comment what I said above about 4x4s. Simply a matter of fact in the Peak District where I live. I expect it goes on elsewhere too.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

We've a town full of Grade 11 listed buildings and sites of burnt out listed buildings. I'm 63 and some buildings have been falling down since I was a child - the council won't allow anyone to alter them, which effectively renders them useless and valueless. There is one site (smack in the middle of town) that has been empty since the building burned down twenty years ago - no one will rebuild it as no one wanted the original building, and the council insist it's rebuilt much the same (although PP has been given for sixteen flats - how that fits with the original frontage - a double fronted house - I don't know). It's also on a flood plain ... which is curious for a town on a hill with a stream running through it.

 

[Lons]

"gerrorf moy laand" :lol: :lol:

Not a bad selfie Jacob, which one is you? :wink:

 

[RobinBHM]

A few years back I remembers a tv series 'the planners'

One example was a listed manor house / mansion. A developer wanted to convery it into flats as a luxury development. The cknservation officer kept saying, we cant allow the interior of this building to be altered, some of the interior contains work of historical importance.

The conversion then became non viable, the developer pulled out and the building has remained derelect with a leaking roof.

Conservation officeds should be much more helpful to house owners and builders -without them, no listed building would be repaired or restored.

 

[Jacob]

We've a town full of Grade 11 listed buildings and sites of burnt out listed buildings. I'm 63 and some buildings have been falling down since I was a child - the council won't allow anyone to alter them, which effectively renders them useless and valueless. There is one site (smack in the middle of town) that has been empty since the building burned down twenty years ago - no one will rebuild it as no one wanted the original building, and the council insist it's rebuilt much the same (although PP has been given for sixteen flats - how that fits with the original frontage - a double fronted house - I don't know). It's also on a flood plain ... which is curious for a town on a hill with a stream running through it.

It's an ongoing problem.
On the other hand you get alterations to town and country buildings which are so severe that they are unrecognisable and completely devoid of character. Might as well have been demolished and something entirely different put there.
You have to hope they'll strike a happy mean, which I think they do on the whole.

There's a catch 22; renovations done really well don't get noticed - ideally nothing has changed except the building is in good nick instead of derelict. So their successful projects are more or less invisible. There are a lot of them about, thanks to conservationists!

I've done loads of semi compulsory grant aided renovation works (mostly sash windows) and can say that in spite of the clients' moaning and groaning they've always been happy with the result and glad they were talked out of having brown plastic or hardwood windows instead

 

[Lons]

We've a town full of Grade 11 listed buildings and sites of burnt out listed buildings. I'm 63 and some buildings have been falling down since I was a child - the council won't allow anyone to alter them, which effectively renders them useless and valueless. There is one site (smack in the middle of town) that has been empty since the building burned down twenty years ago - no one will rebuild it as no one wanted the original building, and the council insist it's rebuilt much the same (although PP has been given for sixteen flats - how that fits with the original frontage - a double fronted house - I don't know). It's also on a flood plain ... which is curious for a town on a hill with a stream running through it.

We had all sorts of problems Phil, some of them are drunk on power. One was a grade 2 listed stable which was falling down and we turned into a very nice house despite the efforts of the authorities to stop us. Their tactics are to bully and delay hoping that you will give up which of course we didn't but even then they throw every obstical that they can find. The other side of the coin was when they decided to move premises from the county hall across to the east side of Northumberland (in the middle of Labour heartland), at a cost of approx £80 million and sell the site for supermarket and houses which are not needed in the area. Before planning was even applied for they cut down a lot of trees some of which had been planted for the queen mother. Luckily, a change of power at the recent local elections has reversed that move but I note no-one has been held to account for the vandalism.

If you or I cut down protected trees we would be prosecuted

 

[Jacob]