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No, just look at the statistics, based on the argument of safety we should ban table saws, routers and in fact anything with a rotating blade. We should stop horse riding, rugby, football, marathon running, hill walking, and in fact a huge number of everyday activities that carry a higher risk than being run over crossing the road with the existing speed limits. You can’t have it both ways. Why are motorists being singled out?
artie
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Apparently the 30 mph speed limit was set in 1934. Prior to that the limit was 2 mph, so I bet the boy racers were over the moon about that.
I tried to find braking distances for some 1934 vehicles without success.
I think it's very likely that a modern car will stop in half the distance a 1934 one would or at least ,since I have no evidence , a much shorter distance.
So all things being equal shouldn't the speed limit be raised instead of lowered.
On the other hand in high congestion areas does it matter what the limit is, you're sitting bumper to bumper .
I tried to find braking distances for some 1934 vehicles without success.
I think it's very likely that a modern car will stop in half the distance a 1934 one would or at least ,since I have no evidence , a much shorter distance.
So all things being equal shouldn't the speed limit be raised instead of lowered.
On the other hand in high congestion areas does it matter what the limit is, you're sitting bumper to bumper .
artie
Sawdust manufacturer.
It's for the children.
John Brown
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But football, marathon running, etc. are all activities that mainly affect the person doing them, whereas motorists driving faster affects pedestrians, including children, while having a negligible effect on the motorists. Your world is unlikely to end because your doing 20 instead of 30.
By your logic we should abandon speed limits completely, maybe you think that's a good idea.
John Brown
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While I agree with you in that I'd expect braking distances to be shorter than in 1934, I read something fairly recently that said that the stopping distances trotted out in the highway code were rather optimistic, and should be revised.
But anyway, stopping distances are fairly irrelevant in the event of a child running out from between parked cars. I don't think human reflexes have improved much since 1934.
Phil Pascoe
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When I had my bike, a 1900cc V twin, I measured the fuel consumption accurately - easy to do, fill to the brim and on the next fill to the brim divide the miles covered between the two by the litres to refill the tank to exactly the same place. The best petrol consumption I ever recorded was when riding for 100 miles plus at a steady 90mph - 95mph two up fully laden with luggage
Phil Pascoe
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No, but your car can stop in a about a third of the distance.
John Brown
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Yes, I acknowledged that, but only if you can react quickly enough to stamp on the brake pedal.
But I note that 54% of drivers exceed the 30 mph limit while 86% exceed the 20 mph limit. Maybe enforcing the 30 mph limit would be an effective way to go. The main problem with the 20 mph limit is that the man in front with the red flag will get out of breath after a hundred yards.
If your child is too young to understand and apply the rules of the road you have them on child reins / close supervision. At the most impose the 20mph around schools which nobody objects to. A blanket 20mph just because little Jonny is an idiot, well sorry Darwin principles apply. He will still get squashed at 20mph.
Enforce 20 as well. I’m of the opinion cars should be made such that they can not exceed the limit. The stupid argument that you some times need to go faster to avoid an accident is probably down to going too fast in the first place and overtaking where you shouldn’t.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
They do with speed cameras, highly effective. More the better IMHO.
In general traffic is much slower and nearer the limit than it was in the past and accident rates are lower to match.
This thread has gone hilariously bonkers - seems to have woken up the petrol heads!
Maybe it's better for the un-woke to stay that way - it doesn't do them any favours!!
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John Brown
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The car is king! Lock your children inside, nothing is more important than getting somewhere else fast!
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Similar b.....ox with seat belts I seem to recall; better to be thrown out of the vehicle rather than being burned alive etc. It's the same mob!
Stop using cars, trucks, buses, motorcycles, mopeds, skate boards, scooters, bikes or horses and nobody gets injured. We can all take the idea to ludicrous extremes. Serioulsy though, it will be interesting to see what happens at the next elections. I’m sure the party that decides to remove the 20mph and pop it back to a 30mph limit will win.
John Brown
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You may be right. What a sad reflection on the priorities of the electorate.
John Brown
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In the distance a 20mph car can stop, a 30mph car will still be doing 24mph. A person is around five times more likely to be killed when hit by a vehicle travelling at around 30mph than they are from a vehicle travelling around 20mph.
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Not sure speed cameras as such, but average speed ones, yes. Village near us, strung out along a main road, had them installed a few months back. Remarkable to see how people now stick to 30 all the way, rather than just slowing for the camera.They do with speed cameras, highly effective. More the better IMHO.
In general traffic is much slower and nearer the limit than it was in the past and accident rates are lower to match.
This thread has gone hilariously bonkers - seems to have woken up the petrol heads!
Maybe it's better for the un-woke to stay that way - it doesn't do them any favours!!
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