Cynic! But given how long Mr Armstrong got away with it you do have to wonder.
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Where have we heard that sort of statement before...............
I don't think Froome or Sky were clean.
Are unfounded accusations permitted on the forum? Perhaps we should ask a moderator.
You here a lot about the riders trying to cheat with various chemicals and potions but what about the bikes, are they regulated or scrutinised .
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Unfounded? Right....
Jiffy bags, corticosteroids (triamcinolone etc), abuse of TUEs etc and goodness knows what else.
In my opinion Froome, Wiggins and Sky were dirty. Ineos Grenadiers ? Hopefully Brailsford isn't taking his marginal gains concept as far as he did with his previous team.
Not the only ones no doubt and as @Spectric mentions mechanical doping is a big issue.
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report me as well, I don't think they were clean, I also don't think one of our olympic gold medal winning runner is clean either but that's just my opinion. I could name others, people who were very very average at their chosen sport yet in the matter of 2 years became top of their game.
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If it is good enough for the Russians! Have they tested our football team yet, perhaps it could explain some of their strange behavior, by which I mean wining.
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Remember the old joke about the female Russian javalin thrower who goes the the doctor complaining about developing a hairy chest?
Doctor asks her how far down the hair goes?
Reply: "right down to my bollloxs Doc"
Doctor asks her how far down the hair goes?
Reply: "right down to my bollloxs Doc"
Terry - Somerset
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Elite sport is about lots of money. Competitors are under huge pressure to be successful - the difference is a very comfortable future vs getting a real job when the body is no longer willing.
There may be a strong argument for having no drug control regime - basically a free for all. There would be no ambiguity, no need for drug testing, no need for subterfuge, no need to hide what they are doing. It is strictly who gets past the post first.
It would make sport into a potential freak show - but would that matter. All competitors, and the public could be confident they were all playing by the same (lack of) rules.
There would still be winners and losers - sporting success would be a tribute to the skill and determination of the competitor and the medical support. Pretending that drug testing regimes actually work has been trashed over the years. Remember the founder of the modern Olympics:
The founder of the Olympics, Baron Pierre de Coubertin, said "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part; the essential thing in life is not conquering but fighting well."
There may be a strong argument for having no drug control regime - basically a free for all. There would be no ambiguity, no need for drug testing, no need for subterfuge, no need to hide what they are doing. It is strictly who gets past the post first.
It would make sport into a potential freak show - but would that matter. All competitors, and the public could be confident they were all playing by the same (lack of) rules.
There would still be winners and losers - sporting success would be a tribute to the skill and determination of the competitor and the medical support. Pretending that drug testing regimes actually work has been trashed over the years. Remember the founder of the modern Olympics:
The founder of the Olympics, Baron Pierre de Coubertin, said "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part; the essential thing in life is not conquering but fighting well."
Jester129
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England will lose tonight, simply because Italy are better at cheating, they've been doing it for a lot longer!
On saying that, EVERY football team cheats.
On saying that, EVERY football team cheats.
How else do you prove or diss-prove a team or individual are clean, but by testing using the most up to date knowledge, please enlighten us how.
Bikes have a minimum weight they have to be over, other than that the UCI just ban anything they think is not in accordance with their wish's, look up Superman position, or Chris Boardman's hour record not allowed.
whatknot
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Personally I think you are wasting your breath, those that believe its all a fix will continue to do so
selectortone
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Any more of this talk and I'll be losing faith in WWE wrestling.
Jacob
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Some Snooker champions look suspiciously tranquillised.
I think the problem is that historically we have seen so many occasions where it turned out that teams had just discovered new methods of doping that were undetectable by the current tests. Not surprising that some people should wonder if that is what is still going on. Personally I very much hope not, but I think it is a perfectly legitimate concern. Cycling in particular is a victim of its own history in that repect.
Not long now till it is all over and maybe some normality will return and then we can see how much virus spreading has been done, and then win or lose there will be a lot of deppressed people out there as the realisation dawns on them that nothing has changed, today is no different than the day before and there has been nothing gained by anyone kicking a ball around.
Phil Pascoe
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My wife this morning - "I don't really know which will be worse, their winning or their losing - we'll get it stuffed down our throats for months, whichever."
Terry - Somerset
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It would be easy to view elite sport as a simple contest between performance enhancing drug development and drug testing technology. This is probably unfair - I am sure not all athletes indulge.
However it is not uncommon for evidence post event that drugs played a part in success. It is a matter of faith, not fact, whether a victory is achieved through undetected drug assisted performance, or real world class performance.
However it is not uncommon for evidence post event that drugs played a part in success. It is a matter of faith, not fact, whether a victory is achieved through undetected drug assisted performance, or real world class performance.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Problem is; for most of us drugs have probably played a part in the fact that we are alive at all, which gives us a huge unfair advantage over those less fortunate!
Often not clear which are essential for life and well-being, compared to extra performance enhancement.
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The ones who don't cheat in any endurance sport (or strength sport) can just decide they don't want to compete, then. I doubt much of anything at that level is clean (and only through introduction to reality on youtube, etc, have we gotten a better view). For example, "some bodybuilders are probably clean". No, none who are competitive are. "some strongmen are probably clean, and same with powerlifters". No, none are.
"But my hero from the 50s and 60s was just fat and strong and was probably clean". No, they weren't. The competitive fields in anything where strength and/or endurance is the main point are pretty much dirty across the board. The genetically gifted still rise to the top - they just have to cheat to, like everyone else.
The messages of "there are only some cheaters" are just there for the naive and to please advertisers ("your hero" doing or using something that can be advertised while they dope in the background makes whatever they endorse more appealing. If you know they dope and they just admit it outright, then your urge to buy is reduced - that's important given the role advertisers play (they fund the sport so you can watch it for "free").
The entire field of testing is set up not to actually catch people. It's set up to catch some or appear more legitimate so that you don't lose faith in sport. If they actually wanted to catch everyone, they would catch more.
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