Blackswanwood
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I think we've missed out his attitude towards women. It's for the US electorate to decide but I cannot think of any redeeming features in Trump.
US Election November 5th
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Terry - Somerset
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Whatever we may individually think of Trump (much of it right):
The success of such characters is a testament to a reality - the opposition have failed to persuade his supporters otherwise.
Democracy which we value so highly is about the electorate expressing a view through the ballot box, which the elected politicians should seek to deliver. Doing otherwise is an unacceptable arrogance.
- the US is a democracy - folk, through the ballot box, get to choose the chief clown
- supporters are not all dumb rednecks - some are intelligent, articulate, successful, decent etc.
- he resonates with a US cowboy mindset - independent, tough, action not words, shoot first, small state, self reliance, etc.
The success of such characters is a testament to a reality - the opposition have failed to persuade his supporters otherwise.
Democracy which we value so highly is about the electorate expressing a view through the ballot box, which the elected politicians should seek to deliver. Doing otherwise is an unacceptable arrogance.
niall Y
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One has to ask oneself -" Did America completely fall to bits during Trump's last Presidency? " If it didn't , them it will probably survive another term.
The powers of a President are quite rightly restricted and if the democratic process elects Trump again, then that will be what the voters in America have decided.
The powers of a President are quite rightly restricted and if the democratic process elects Trump again, then that will be what the voters in America have decided.
Agent_zed
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Well you can't really blame Trump for Covid but his presidency wasn't exactly great. Whilst it was difficult for anyone to lead people through it he managed to confuse americans with mixed messaging and completely nonsensical 'suggestions' like injecting bleach, whilst pushing false information about invermectin. Whilst he himself was treated with the best medicine money could buy.
Trump also made the US a laughing stock to the rest of the world, worked to undermine the UN and NATO and arguably emboldened other countries to push forward with their own agendas e.g Russia. Yes, it was after Trump but that is because Putin was no longer getting what he wanted out of Trump and had to strike before NATO was prepared (thankfully it was in better shape than he realised). Ask yourself why Putin actively wants Trump in charge, and it's not because he thinks Trump will make America great again!
If his retoric is anything to go by he will be significantly worse this time and intends to load every position he can with diehard supporters as well as moving jobs that were previously protected under his jurisdiction making it possible to oust anyone that disagrees with him. In other words, becoming an Authoritarian leader.
Currently Biden has delivered higher GDP, higher jobs, lower cost healthcare, increased infrastructure spending, increased oil and gas production (not a good thing in my mind but to the average american it will be), decreased unemployment and is enjoying record high stockmarkets.
Not sure why anyone wants to go back to a billionaire giving tax breaks to other billionaires, whilst mostly golfing instead of working.
On the brightside if he gets in hopefully Europe will get it's act together and become stronger than before, hopefully with the UK joining more closely with them.
RobinBHM
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"A well informed electorate is a pre-requisite for democracy"
A statement that neatly covers the gulf between theory and reality
It came closer than you seem to think to the brink. If the secret service detail that tried to remove Pence from the Capitol had succeeded or if the mob had succeeded in lynching him as they intended, the result of Jan 6 would have been very different under Grassley as the stand in speaker (who said in advance he expected to be counting the electoral college votes, not Pence - why would that be?). Pence (to his credit) broke the plot by refusing to accept the forged electoral college voting certificates from the plotters.
And if you are paying attention, the failed coup plotters have taken note of their failings in that period of presidency and fully intend to do it differently this time (see Project 2025).
Pence himself (the man's former VP for god's sake) on Trump:
"I believe that anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the United States," he said.
"And anyone who asked someone else to put them over the constitution should never be president of the United States again."
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Terry - Somerset
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A sincere and worthy proposition full of flaws.
Does this mean an ill informed electorate should do what they are told - replacing democracy with dictatorship. Does ill informed simply mean that they disagree with your view of the world.
Should there be exams which need to be passed to qualify for a vote - much as one needs to pass a driving test to drive. Who sets and marks the exams.
Those who fail - there will be a large number - will still be capable of serious public disruption, riot, armed uprising. How would their enthusiasm for democracy be controlled - police, prison, armed troops on the streets etc.
Perhaps - make "political studies" a mandatory part of the school curriculum, a pass at which would be required for university entry, qualifying for healthcare, pension, benefits etc. Brainwash students - award a pass only to those who can parrot the official line.
