Thieving little twats

[Jake]

Having shared out the estates of the dead between the few who are liberal and right thinking enough for my taste* I would not require work.



(*that, obviously, is not a criterion I would allow the prospect of further wealth to affect)

 

[Lons]

Let's have a round of ideas that DO work...what things do really stop the oiks in their tracks....?

Jim

It worked in the past - my kids aren't thieves because we brought them up to respect people and their property - and that is the nub of both the problem and the solution.

I'm lucky to live in a low crime area, my brother does not!

In my day, you didn't dare to backchat an adult and god forbid that you ever did something serious like scrumping apples, get caught and marched home to your mother, then to face the music when your dad got home.

Kids now know their "rights" and I've seen them on the streets in gangs, all under 10s, smashing propertyand terrorising old folk for the hell of it.

they know full well that their parents, (not interested anyway or they wouldn't be on the streets), can't chastise them and neither can the teachers or anyone else.

I've heard a 6 year old say to his mother "can't touch me, I'll report you to the social" FFS what kind of adult is he going to turn into - the druggy who breaks into your property!

I got the cane once at grammar school when I was 12 for being with a group of pals and one of them pinched a pen from woolworths. Had nothing to do with me, didn't even know till we were all stopped at the door.
I was not happy at being implicated but the cane did no damage except I will never forget it and certainly wouldn't have suffered the embarrassment a second time. The lad didn't do it again either.
Did I tell my parents? Not bloody likely!

So..............Start in pre school.

 

[jimi43]

I was actually trying to get back on topic, asking for ideas for protecting my shed.... rather than try to put the world to rights or argue with anyone interested in cuddling morons...but hey...this is fun too!



Jim

 

[devonwoody]

There is something wrong somewhere (about protecting or catching the sods)

If a policeman can throw a spiked stinger across the road to stop a car thief getting away and thieving more cars, why cant a householder put a stinger down and stop thieves getting out of his shed?

A stinger is a weapon. whether its on the highway or in your garden.

BTW, los your system wont work because society has changed and wont go backwards. So I think a suitable deterrent is needed.

 

[RogerS]

.... So I think a suitable deterrent is needed.

Nah...Jake is going to give them all a cuddle and then they will see the error of their ways.

 

[devonwoody]

Problem then is more of us will want cuddles :x

Whack em until they crawl away somewhere and only come out to play until they know they will be good.

 

[PeterBassett]

A guy from work came up with the idea of the "Chav Blender" for just this sort of thing.

It's exactly what you think it is. He's a visionary I tell you!

 

[devonwoody]

A guy from work came up with the idea of the "Chav Blender" for just this sort of thing.

It's exactly what you think it is. He's a visionary I tell you!

Well I had to google that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us6HDfg1pcU

Too soft imo

 

[Jake]

.... So I think a suitable deterrent is needed.

Nah...Jake is going to give them all a cuddle and then they will see the error of their ways.

Balance, Roger. A bullet in the head if they are right wing criminals, a cuddle for the left wing ones.

 

[jorgoz]

yeah but if they are societies "black sheep" then they are already branded and stigmatised and therefore a jail term will not add to their societal rejection - in fact within their own society it may well be regarded as a merit.

There you go, their society is in fact the same as ours and were all human beings, it's the us against them that is part of the equasion i think.

I believe thieves are crossing boundaries for a reason, be it their upbringing, youth, personality, past experiences, the way we as a society pretend to need a lot of stuff to be happy,... and they will for example respond to people who have issues with boundaries as well. Or people who believe materialistic wealth is what it's all about or who are to connected to their goods or people who only see the bad in others, or ....
Quite complex, but then again quite easy. What happens behind the scenes is what i try to take into account.

I'm not saying it's not their fault or responsibility, but maybe nobody quite listens to them. And don't think i'm a softie, but i have quite strong views on this, but quite different from the masses.

Then again, i also believe there are people out there that don't want to be part of our society or don't want to be 'helped' (for lack of a better word), and there should be proper solutions for those people, but it's not by putting them away or punishing them that it will end all woe.

I'm sorry jorgoz but ive never read such twaddle in my entire life - by "their society" i meant the people with whom they regularly mix (ie other "theiving little twats")- if you seriously think that this is the same "society" in which members of this foruim move then you need to look outside the door of your ivory tower.

I too believe that theives are crossing boundaries for a reason - the reason being that they want to steal stuff to sell and buy drugs, lighter gas, white lightning cider, and nail varnish (to sniff), and the reason they do this more now than they did in previous generations is because they dont fear the consequences of getting caught.

as to the them and us - too right there is a them and us - on one hand you have the law abiding citizens who are robbed from who the law now singularly fails to protect, while on the other hand you have the scrotes who rob them which the law singularly fails to punish.

It would be interesting to see if you were still so willing to see their side and "hear what they are saying" if it was you workshop that was turned over or your wife who was mugged

Well, i've been broken into my car several times and a car stolen (but retrieved) and it still doesn't change my view, from my ivory tower. :roll:
Ok, it feels weird for the first couple of days, weeks.

Getting caught has nothing to do with what they do or not. As i pointed out in a previous post, the States has the highest death penalty rate and do you see a crime rate decrease there ? So i guess it must really help.

I just got a new Jamie Oliver book, and in it there is a couple of pages about a bakery shop in the US, and the bakers are the HEAVIEST kind of criminals you can imagine, so there must be other solutions to re-integrate criminals, those who of course want to turn their life around.

There are numerous projects throughout the world that go about integrating criminals another way, Canada, scandinavia to name but a few, in which they are given, maybe for the first time in their life, a sence of being worth something after all and creating something instead of destroying. If you don't value yourself, how can you value others or others belongings ?

I know it's an idealistic view, but for me it feels like a much more humane one than condeming and judging people, but i know i stand quite alone with this, one of the reasons i normally don't speak about it. It doesn't mean i approve of ****, murder, thievery,... But these acts have existed since all of humanity, now ofcourse everything gets more attention which excites the masses and the masses like a good sensational story these days so they don't have to look at their own way of living.

You get all the sympathy when you're a 'victim', but maybe some criminals are victims of another kind ?

 

[studders]

A guy from work came up with the idea of the "Chav Blender"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us6HDfg1pcU

Too soft imo

Bugger, he survived.

 

[studders]

You get all the sympathy when you're a 'victim', but maybe some criminals are victims of another kind ?

From what people complain about, consistently, I somehow doubt that victims get all the sympathy.

 

[devonwoody]

I am certain if you hang a murderer he never does it again, so if you cut off thieves hands they never steel with there hands again.

So its either treat them hard or do the other and give them cuddles.

 

[studders]

So its either treat them hard or do the other and give them cuddles.

OK So, cut off their hands, then shag 'em. That'll teach the blighters and, at the same time, make them feel valued.

 

[Lons]

"BTW, los your system wont work because society has changed and wont go backwards. So I think a suitable deterrent is needed."

yeah I know............. Just tinted glasses again and trying to appese the soft liners!

I think a good sharp shock. End of story. Might not work but the soft option definately doesn't so what the hell.

If you were to ask my missus how many are released and the deliberatley commit a crime within the first week 'cause they want to be back where it's comfortable and I think most people would be shocked

Anyway, it's made me paranoid again and I've just wired in an alarm to my mower shed so that's another £60 the little gits have cost me indirectly. :roll:

 

[Scouse]

2 German Shepherds (dogs, not Teutonic sheep farmers...) one of which I'm scared of...

They live outside in a run with shelter, the male hates everything with a pulse, actually he just hates everything period. Never barks, can't wait till some little sh*t jumps the fence... save me feeding him for a week.

El.

 

[dannykaye]

don't let the basterds (tarentino spelling) grind you down and get a dog, really spiky bushes are a good idea too

I have a sliding mitre saw you can have if you are ever round nottingham

 

[jimi43]

GREAT idea!!

Install a roundabout at the bottom of the garden near where they usually break in. Leave the keys in the hairdryer on wheels...no...wait they would have nicked one....and that acts as a distraction and hopefully the little darling scrotes will nut themselves and forget about the shed!

Wonderful...love it...any more ideas?

:wink:

Jim

 

[Dibs-h]

don't let the basterds (tarentino spelling) grind you down and get a dog, really spiky bushes are a good idea too

I have a sliding mitre saw you can have if you are ever round nottingham

Cheers Danny (I'm assuming you meant me) - the couple of offers are very much appreciated. I realised last night that my portable nail gun compressor had gone too - that really peeved me off.:evil:

But it's spurred me on to the point that you would probably need to nick a digger and come round to the workshop to get in. Security does cost - but a lot less if built in, than added onto.

 

[devonwoody]

Hows this to beat your security setup.

They find out when you are on holiday, then put up a Estate agents sold notice outside your property and then turn up 3 days later with a van and start taking stuff away, neighbours dont worry because they think its all legit.