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Eshmiel

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....Or maybe, from a previous but recent, age: "The Japanese Effect".

Once we Blighters named ourselves "workshop of the world" 'cos we were. I grew up in Tyneside in the 50s and 60s, which familiarised me with that workshop but, sadly, also its long decline. A major factor was the British inability to keep up with the innovation of newly-risen foreign industries of the many manufacturing kinds. The Japanese, Koreans and various others emergent after WWII, with a lot of newly-acquired industrial expertise, were able to innovate at a far faster rate than the often moribund British equivalent industries.

Even in the 50s and 60s, there was also the beginnings of the trend in The West to make things down to a price rather than up to a quality, in pursuit of greater sales buoyed up by advertising. The Japanese did both together (ever improving quality but at good prices).

Everything seemed to be affected, from cameras to ships. Woodworking tools seemed to escape the syndrome, perhaps, probably because the Far Eastern emergent industrialising nations had very different and well-established traditions in how they did woodwork, including very different tools from those of The West.

Now we have a similar effect with the rise of China as perhaps the new prime in manufacturing. The once awful cheese metal stuff is fading away to be replaced by very well- designed and engineered stuff, from e-cars to bicycles to .... woodworking tools. There may still be awful and suspiciously cheap stuff being made and flogged by the likes of TEMU but there are also very high quality items for a lot less than European, British and US equivalents. Planes are the obvious example but there are increasingly more, of other tool types.

Some of the traditional Far Eastern tools are also making inroads, replacing the European traditional tools in many sheds. Saws are the prime example perhaps.

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What should be our attitude, as buyers of woodworking tools? Inexpensive and high quality often contends with "political" considerations about the manufacturing nation, which can sometimes be difficult to resolve. But people do. How do you resolve it, when a high quality tool of the type you need appears with "Made in China" on a price tag half that for the LN, LV or Clifton equivalent, for example?
 
A minority can afford to buy the best based on reputation (LN, LV, etc). Most, despite regret at the decline of traditional industries, buy on a price and quality compromise.

That the Chinese can produce woodworking tools the equal of the best produced in the West is no surprise - they have a space program, make high quality cars, other consumer durables etc.

The Chinese are the latest in a succession of countries (Japan, eastern Europe, Korea, etc) which have developed industrial capability on the back of low labour rates and (often) low environmental and other regulatory standards.

Like it or not, what we may think as individual woodworkers will be subsumed into acceptance that decent quality at a competitive price will prevail.

That low prices may be achieved through exploitative working practices evidently has limited impact on appetites for consumer electronics, clothing, raw materials etc. A minority of individuals may feel differently - their views are of course respected (but irrelevant).
 
buy on a price and quality compromise.
I prefer to say balance, something that can do the job and for as long as you anticipate. If it is for a one off then why buy top quality but if it is earning you an income then buy top quality as it will repay itself.
 
A minority can afford to buy the best based on reputation (LN, LV, etc). Most, despite regret at the decline of traditional industries, buy on a price and quality compromise.

That the Chinese can produce woodworking tools the equal of the best produced in the West is no surprise - they have a space program, make high quality cars, other consumer durables etc.

The Chinese are the latest in a succession of countries (Japan, eastern Europe, Korea, etc) which have developed industrial capability on the back of low labour rates and (often) low environmental and other regulatory standards.

Like it or not, what we may think as individual woodworkers will be subsumed into acceptance that decent quality at a competitive price will prevail.

That low prices may be achieved through exploitative working practices evidently has limited impact on appetites for consumer electronics, clothing, raw materials etc. A minority of individuals may feel differently - their views are of course respected (but irrelevant).
Over the long term the increase in manufacturing and income drives up the workers wages, the standard of living, the societal expectations around H&S, and finally the cost of the product. Traditionally another region has then picked up the batten in this relay race, but is there another after China or will prices eventually have to increase? Mexico, India and Vietnam are touted in the many articles on the subject.

Regards buying all this stuff 'consumerism is the new religion' feels an apt model and one which I think tells a sad story about society. Personally I'm fortunate to be able choose anything between second hand and UK/US branded and manufactured. I tend to go secondhand unless it is something I see as an heirloom tool.
 
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But China is not a western economy, they cannot just ask for a payrise or threaten to go on strike and does China not keep it's currency value lower than it should be.

It was an assertion based on human nature, a quick google and the data tends to support my assertion, but I could just have been lucky and I've cherry picked something that suits.

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Or perhaps I don't need to cherry pick, as the next 3 or 4 results and news articles all discuss the trend. eg.
https://www.china-briefing.com/news...china-trends-and-implications-for-businesses/

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But China is not a western economy, they cannot just ask for a payrise or threaten to go on strike and does China not keep it's currency value lower than it should be.
Of course people can ask for a rise - the workforce grumble just like anywhere else in the world - and if your employer isn't paying what you think you're worth, people start looking for a job elsewhere. Staff turnover can be pretty high.

China is absolutely a restrictive state, but capitalism is alive and well.

@Fitzroy 's links are nothing surprising. As a economies upskill, wages rise.
Higher skilled better off employees are also likely to be thinking about their lifestyle and maybe put a value on reducing the pollution in cities like Beijing and Shanghai....
On an international level, this is what drives global manufacturing into one country after another to start again with a new pool of low wage labour.
 
My point of view comes from a different direction: helping out at numerous {more than 500 so far] Repair Cafés around the Home Counties. I now have a policy that, if it is made in China - and not by a recognised western manufacturer - I don't touch it.

Why? Because most of the design thought that has gone into it has been to make it difficult or impossible to dismantle, and impossible to reassemble without damage. We have a kit from iFixit of 40+ special screwdrivewe bits, to fit all the non-standard screw formats that China keeps inventing. And those screws will be hidden at the bottom of deep, narrow tunnels, rather than being - as everywhere else - more or less surface-mounted.

And when you DO get inside, the quality of the components and their mounting is just dire. The whole device is designed with built-in obsolescence, and impossible repair, to encourage you to buy another piece of tat to replace it.

I just hand it back to the - disappointed - owner, and advise them to buy something of minimum quality next time.
 
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My point of view comes from a different direction: helping out at numerous {more the 500 so far] Repair Cafés around the Home Counties. I now have a policy that, if it is made in China - and not by a recognised western manufacturer - I don't touch it.

Why? Because most of the design thought that has gone into it has been to make it difficult or impossible to dismantle, and impossible to reassemble without damage. We have a kit from iFixit of 40+ special screwdrivewe bits, to fit all the non-standard screw formats that China keeps inventing. And those screws will be hidden at the bottom of deep, narrow tunnels, rather than being - as everywhere else - more or less surface-mounted.

And when you DO get inside, the quality of the components and their mounting is just dire. The whole device is designed with built-in obsolescence, and impossible repair, to encourage you to buy another piece of tat to replace it.

I just hand it back to the - disappointed - owner, and advise them to buy something of minimum quality next time.
To be fair, isn't this a problem with a vast range of goods made just about everywhere. I don't think it was the Chinese who invented planned obsolescence, although some of their manufacturers were no doubt happy to climb on that particular bandwagon when they adopted various of the capitalist modes. And there are, certainly, many examples of well-made and perfectly serviceable Chinese items, woodworking planes being one example familiar to many here, I suspect.

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Whilst we're at it, we could also consider the "working conditions are bad in China" objection to buying Chines-made stuff. This is probably true, in but not all Chinese locales or manufacturers .... but its true of just about every other nation, including our fine British gig economy in which worker rights have been eroded to nothing much one can practically use since the days of Thatcher. And how do we feel about the effectively slave labour practiced on USA prison inmates by various US corporations?

Perhaps a case can be made for supporting local industry, not to "unsupport" foreign industries so much as to help provide a wider British range of manufacturing skills and knowledge as part of any nation's necessary and desirable infrastructure. Since that Thatcher put the final nail into the coffins of a lot of British industry (next to the nails hammered in over the decades by poor management and bolshy workers) in favour of reliance on finance capital (making money with money and producing nowt) Britain's wider population has suffered many degradations. Would a return to true industry and manufacturing be one necessary condition for mending this situation ...... ?
 
Would a return to true industry and manufacturing be one necessary condition for mending this situation ...... ?

Not since Tony Blair ruined the UK's education system.

When I was 16, just 5% of the 16-year cohort went on to university; many of the rest went onto apprenticeships and sandwich courses at Technical Colleges, to learn useful craft, manufacturing and industrial skills.

Then Tony Blair said in his 1997 Election Manifesto "What one issue do we prioritise above all others? Education! Education! Education!"

Now it's around 40% go to university. The techs were all 'advised' to convert into universities, where they could offer courses in 'Environmental Studies; Gender Studies, Sociology, Anti-Racist Mathematics, and Art History & Appreciation'. And where opting for any useful skill effectively demarcated you as "educationally sub-normal".

The result: industry and manufacturing are crying out for skilled apprentices. There are massive shortages in manufacturing, construction, hospitality and social care, and healthcare. And with the latest National Insurance surcharges, employers find it easier to find people with those skills abroad.

We, as a country, have turned our back on industry and manufacturing.
 
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