Record Power BS400 Bandsaw Review

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Thanks both of you I will be going again to the North of England show - this time with an objective to try to knock them down as much as possible - any body reading these messages; its an excellent show for woodworking, wood and equipment; I got told off for touching one of the exhibits last year an older bearded gent I had to touch it just to see if it was really wood.
 
Yeah, but feeling his leg is a bit much !!!!!!!!



There's usually a set sale price on Record - £100 off and free delivery, but yu can always try for more.
 
Ha Ha! :oops: Alexam now I re-read my post I need to be careful with my words - does sound a little suspect going to end up on the "register" if i'm not careful. But then again for a bit of discount !!
 
Hi went up to the show - too many tools don't know how I manage without them; but decided to not buy the BS 400 (down to £899 for the show ! so tempted ) going to make my old one work harder. But bought a makita router and patiot chuck for the graduate and bits and pieces. Next year will be up grading, only thing on my wants it list for Santa is a bench top planner/thicknesser. Now off to the man cave to make lots of rabbit bedding.
 
Having read this review (several times), I took the plunge at Harrogate and bought the BS400. Took delivery on Thurs as agreed and spent today trying to set it up.
Had difficulty getting the upper blade guide assembly to remain level and, therefore, getting the guides to run parallel. In tightening the relevant hex screw, no more than a quarter turn, the casting split and the screw fell out (see pics). Now either I'm very heavy handed, and I didn't consciously apply pressure, or the casting was damaged or too weak.
I've emailed Record to see about a replacement and bodged it with araldite and a cable tie which is working for now but, obviously the saw doesn't feel as robust as I'd hoped.
Has anybody else had problems with these guides or other parts on this machine?
On the plus side, even so, and with the factory supplied blade, the saw is piling through six inch resaws. Plan to try deep rips in green wood next but scared my heath Robinson repairs won't hold up...
 

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I had the same thing happen. Replacement part was sent and so far so good.
 
Good to know Pike thanks :) hope it holds out til then
 
That's unusual, but a pike also had the same, it may be a batch fault. REcord are renouned for their backup service, so I expect you will get this replaced.

In setting up the bandsaw, have you seen the following :-

THE BEST FROM A BANDSAW 'Alex Snodgrass of Carter Industries has an excellent video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbZqWac0jU on a tune up method that works well, but if you want to get the best use of your bandsaw on an ongoing basis, then the Steve Maskery DVD's will show you far more and they are a real investment. http://www.workshopessentials.com/shop/ '.

A Flutter test Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8zZuDosSy0

I set my BS400 up following the Alex Snodgrass method and it made a world of a difference.

Also haveing the Tuffsaw blades also make a huge difference.

Alex
 
Had an email from Record today to say they would send out a replacement casting so will wait and then fine tune.

Thanks for the link Alex, I think I will try that method out, One question, have you tried running a 1" blade with the gullet on the Crown as he suggests? I'm sure it would work but the tires are just about an inch wide which would leave a goodly portion hanging off the back?
Looking forward to playing some more and yes, ordering Tuff Saw blades for the serious sessions.
 
bobblezard":2y7f4dkf said:
One question, have you tried running a 1" blade with the gullet on the Crown as he suggests? I'm sure it would work but the tires are just about an inch wide which would leave a goodly portion hanging off the back?
I would probably suggest staying away from 1" blade. My BS300 claims to be able to use a 3/4" blade, but I ended up snapping the blade tensioner trying to set it up. The guy I spoke with at Record admitted they probably wouldn't recommend using it. I've heard similar about the BS400 and a 1" blade.

In any event, you should be able to get huge beam strength with the 3/4" blade - I've been maxing out the depth of cut on my BS300 with green maple logs with a 5/8" blade and it's been OK.


Alexam":2y7f4dkf said:
I've used a 1/2" and 3/4" but not 1" as I've found that I don't need that big a blade when it's nice and sharp (Tuffsaw)
A +1 from me re Tuffsaws blades. I was stunned at the difference in a green wood planking job between a new coarse (3 tpi IRC) Record blade and a Tuffsaws Sabrecut blade. Essentially, one worked pretty well (though it was hard going) and the other just died on its behind.

Their Fastcut blade is very good for thick seasoned stock; though it does leave a pretty wavy cut (but that's what a plane's for eh?)

I tend to leave a 5/8" wide Varitooth on the machine most of the time as it's a good all-rounder; though I wouldn't use it for green wood.
 
That was an interesting read and plenty of photographs. I purchased this on Monday...."RECORD POWER BS350-S 240V FLOOR STANDING BANDSAW WITH STAND PLUS PEDAL WHEEL KIT & 3 EXTRA BLADES WORTH £114.98!..£699.00".
Had settled for an Axminster model but after watching quite a few Cds decided to go for the above.
My budget was £500 but managed to stretch a bit more for, hopefully a better machine.
Obviously not in your money class :D but I hope my machine turns out to be as good as yours.
Thank you for taking the time to post a very worthwhile article for people like me (who know nothing) and can hopefully learn by. I have never even used one of these...bb
 
Welcome to the foum doubled.

Thats a good choice DD and you are protected with the 5 year guarantee, which is reassuring if you do have any problems.

Although you may have seen it, the tuning of the bandsaw is important, as well as getting the best from the machine. Therefore, check out this...

THE BEST FROM A BANDSAW 'Alex Snodgrass of Carter Industries has an excellent video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbZqWac0jU on a tune up method that works well, but if you want to get the best use of your bandsaw on an ongoing basis, then the Steve Maskery DVD's will show you far more and they are a real investment. http://www.workshopessentials.com/shop/ '.

A Flutter test Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8zZuDosSy0


.............. and don't forget, the Tuffsaw blades re really an improvement on most blades.

All the best and we await your first project in anticipation.

Alex
 
Many thanks to Bob and the other contributors to this post.

I am a complete newbee to the world of bandsaws and after much internet research, I settled for the BS400, largely based on the comments on this thread. And, as it cost a fortune to get a pallet delivered to me here in Brittany I also bought a Record Power DML305 midi lathe (also a newbee to lathes).

I am having some niggles with the bandsaw which although small, are not confidence inspiring. I have emailed RP, but I find their response time slow. They do say 24 hours for a reply, but in this day age I am used to a much quicker response from email enquiries. I emailed them yesterday morning and then called them at lunchtime to raise my query. I felt fobbed off, but left it and went back to the machine to test what they had said to me. Then, feeling sure I had just been fobbed off I sent another email first thing this morning and having not had a reply by 3pm I called and was told they were very busy and reminded that they had a 24 hour response time to emails. Not what I consider ideal customer service, but I'll wait and see.

So, at the moment, I am somewhat disillusioned with my purchase, however, I will keep a record of the issues with the machine and my experience with RP and post it here once all has been resolved.

Conrad
 
Hi Conrad,
Perhaps you could say what issues you're having as I'm sure there will be suggestions from the forum.
When I bought a BS350S, I have to admit I wasn't immediately convinced. I previously had a cheap Chinese import which I had managed to set up and it worked really well. I only changed as I needed something more powerful to resaw a lot of the timber I had acquired and it took quite a while to sort.
 
I don't think your experience is untypical in fact Conrad. Many folks on here report teething problems with new bandsaws and not just RP. I would echo Glynne's sentiments and encourage you to explain them here because it's likely you'll get helpful responses. Further, I would always telephone Alan in tech support when you're having problems as they seem more responsive that way. Personally, I've always received good service from them but I am a Yorkshireman and am used to "Yorkshire" pace!!

First off though...paste 'em up here and lets see if the forum can help
 
Random Orbital Bob":17ow5r08 said:
I don't think your experience is untypical in fact Conrad. Many folks on here report teething problems with new bandsaws and not just RP. I would echo Glynne's sentiments and encourage you to explain them here because it's likely you'll get helpful responses. Further, I would always telephone Alan in tech support when you're having problems as they seem more responsive that way. Personally, I've always received good service from them but I am a Yorkshireman and am used to "Yorkshire" pace!!

First off though...paste 'em up here and lets see if the forum can help
Certainly disappointment for not having instant gratification is not confined to RP bandsaws. My new 16" Jet was an absolute dog and I'd thought I'd bought a real lemon. However after readjusting everything, replacing supplied blade with a Tufsaw blade, carefully setting it all up again if ran true, quiet and perfect.

Been using it for six months now and it's still a joy to use, making complex and delicate cuts perfect every time. These really aren't use it from the box machines.

Phil
 
Many thanks for your replies to my post.
I appreciate I am a complete newbee to this stuff and my questions may be irrelevant, however, I have purchased Bosch, Makita, Stihl and Dremel products and without fail they have been quality. I haven't had this experience with RP and on the basis I am not the original of the species I thought I would share my views.

After a couple of phone calls and feeling pretty much fobbed off, I put a few queries together and sent them to RP on 23 May, I got a reply on 2 June. Yes only 11 days from my initial enquiry. And to their credit t they did address one of my queries. Sorry, but however trivial my queries, this is not good customer relations.

OK so I'll list the issues small they may be, but all adds up to a lack of confidence in my book:

1. the wheel set came supplied with 8m bolts instead of the 12m required. When I informed RP of this I was left feeling like I was the gobshite. Managed to order some m12 x 80, but took a bit of searching and cost me £5.00.

2. The yellow molding that covers the on/off switch came away in my hand. the small self tappers that secure it to its surround appear insufficient. RP haven't responded to this query.

3. The table bed is quite marked and despite polishing it still looks tatty.

4. The trunnion for the bed is not good and needs a lot of external pressure before it will move.

5. The blade tension guide (I know these are just guides) is a mile off and bears no relation to reality.

6. The blade guides, top and bottom are not square, to the extent that when one part touches the blade, the other is 1mm or more off the surface. Piece of ***** engineering in my book.

7. The mitre fence when set in its bed has more than 2mm play in all directions. Another piece of ***** engineering in my book.

8. The plastic ends on the fence supplied to me are inverted when compared to those shown in the instruction manual, dvd and Bob's photos. And, I best let you in on this now, your instruction books, dvd's and videos are wrong. On this issue, RP's Richard responded to me
"Apologies for the delay in my response and initial issue with your machine. As telephone call I have quizzed the factory on the mitre fence previously and the response was the way they are now is correct, I don't when or why this changed. But can only feedback what the factory are saying."
So, it appears the design of the mitre block was wrong for all these years, but the factory have now put it right and aren't I the lucky one. RP by their own admission don't know why or when this modification took place, but appear happy with the factories departure from norm.

I shouldn't moan, they did address one of my queries.

So for any of us who were led to believe, as I was, that despite being manufactured in China, RP quality control were a force, It appears to me from the comment above their own people are admitting no control and accepting what the factory tells them.

My own opinion of the quality of the product delivered to me is poor. Had I paid a cheap Chinese price for this no problem. I didn't however, I paid£1,000+ and went to a lot of effort to find it.

I Haven't even taken the lathe out of the box and only bought it because it was costing me £250 to get a pallet delivered here in Brittany. I can only hope its better quality than the bandsaw.

Despite all I Have said, and lacking the quality of the finer details of the machine, so far it has done what I expected of it. So, so far, robust motor and wheels seem good, but I'm holding my breath.

This is my first workshop and I guess I was hoping for a one stop shop on machinery and thought I had found it with RP, however, given this experience this will not be the case. I feel I paid a good price for what I perceive to be poor quality.
 
conrad":3m8zucwr said:
Many thanks for your replies to my post.
I appreciate I am a complete newbee to this stuff and my questions may be irrelevant, however, I have purchased Bosch, Makita, Stihl and Dremel products and without fail they have been quality. I haven't had this experience with RP and on the basis I am not the original of the species I thought I would share my views....

That doesn't sound good :(

If it's of any consolation (probably not much, I know): blade tension guides on bandsaws are a work of fantasy (I've never seen a machine with a good one). I believe a "proper" tensioning guide isn't cheap, and so the gauge on a machine is always a very (read very) rough guide. Unfortunately you just need to get used to judging what's right (checking side deflection and "plucking" the blade can help).

I've also yet to see a decent mitre fence delivered with any machine. I can only believe there's a factory somewhere in the world that specialises in producing mitre gauges where the bar is at least 1mm thinner than the slot on your machine - it's quite an art to be that consistently bad. The one delivered with my BS300 is similarly cack. The one delivered with my Axminster TS200 table saw wobbles so much in the slot it's a positive hazard. Beats me why it's so hard to get right, but basically - on the tensioner and mitre fence, what you're seeing is "normal" I'm afraid (I assume the likes of Felder are better!)
 
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