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It's the one-dimensional view of what these people do and why they do it that bothers me (coming on the back of Scruples' rather insulting comments about them). My guess is that in reality you see things in a more nuanced way than you're letting on for the sake of argument, but what do I know? As AJB wrote, best try to be nice.
Chris I don't believe in offending anyone just for the sake of it and I wouldn't resort to personal attacks if I wasn't winning an argument which is often the case on forums like this.
Maybe I do look at things in a somewhat more mercenary way than perhaps someone who looks at such as nurses emotively but that's because of experience and at the end of the day although most nursing staff do their jobs both efficiently and in a dedicated manner as of course they should, the reality is that they also do it for the money and job security.

However in fairness although my own personal experiences of the NHS are very negative, it's the management and doctors/specialists in charge who I find most wanting, not the nursing staff, per se as I've never had any issues with them.
The NHS needs a full rethink and restructure to make it fit for purpose in the 21st Century which it currently isn't. The problem is that the NHS is being asked to do things it was never intended to at its inception.

For instance you have many people bed blocking because there is no social infrastructure in place to care for those who should leave hospital for care in the community, therefore freeing up beds. At one time family members very often filled that role and cared for their relatives but these days many people expect the state to provide everything that once was covered by caring relatives. That is one of the attributes I admire about some migrant families...they generally look after their elderly family members far more than we do in the West.
 
Chris I don't believe in offending anyone just for the sake of it and I wouldn't resort to personal attacks if I wasn't winning an argument which is often the case on forums like this.
Maybe I do look at things in a somewhat more mercenary way than perhaps someone who looks at such as nurses emotively but that's because of experience and at the end of the day although most nursing staff do their jobs both efficiently and in a dedicated manner as of course they should, the reality is that they also do it for the money and job security.

However in fairness although my own personal experiences of the NHS are very negative, it's the management and doctors/specialists in charge who I find most wanting, not the nursing staff, per se as I've never had any issues with them.
The NHS needs a full rethink and restructure to make it fit for purpose in the 21st Century which it currently isn't. The problem is that the NHS is being asked to do things it was never intended to at its inception.

For instance you have many people bed blocking because there is no social infrastructure in place to care for those who should leave hospital for care in the community, therefore freeing up beds. At one time family members very often filled that role and cared for their relatives but these days many people expect the state to provide everything that once was covered by caring relatives. That is one of the attributes I admire about some migrant families...they generally look after their elderly family members far more than we do in the West.
Not necessarily an east west thing, although I think your assumption is telling, my cousin who has lived in Crete for 50 years or so tells me that hardly anybody goes into care homes there.
 
.... At one time family members very often filled that role and cared for their relatives but these days many people expect the state to provide everything that once was covered by caring relatives.
This relentlessly negative blame game is really boring. Seems to be a major feature on the right.
People live different lives nowadays, often don't stay in their family neighbourhood and may find their family widely dispersed. Add poor housing and low wages and there is a problem of care for the elderly. How to resolve this is another issue.
That is one of the attributes I admire about some migrant families...they generally look after their elderly family members far more than we do in the West.
Survival. They are under attack from all directions and sticking together becomes necessary. In fact any migrants, even Brits going abroad, will tend to stick together to some extent. Good luck to them.
 
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Chris I don't believe in offending anyone just for the sake of it and I wouldn't resort to personal attacks if I wasn't winning an argument which is often the case on forums like this
Winning arguments on the internet? I've got a donkey, a lance and a suit of armour for you. The windmills are over there.
 
This relentless negative blame game is really boring.
Pot. Kettle, Jacob. Look at what you then went on to write below? "Under attack"....
Survival. They are under attack from all directions and sticking together becomes necessary. In fact any migrants, even Brits going abroad, will tend to stick together to some extent. Good luck to them.
Never miss an opportunity to bang that drum, eh, Jacob. What you've written is utter tosh. It's cultural. Nothing at all to being 'under attack'.

The fact that Brits stick together is mainly because they don't want to integrate with the indigenous population. More fool them. Just as some migrants in this country have no interest in either learning the language or the culture or integrating.
 
Pot. Kettle, Jacob. Look at what you then went on to write below? "Under attack"....

Never miss an opportunity to bang that drum, eh, Jacob. What you've written is utter tosh. It's cultural. Nothing at all to being 'under attack'.

The fact that Brits stick together is mainly because they don't want to integrate with the indigenous population. More fool them. Just as some migrants in this country have no interest in either learning the language or the culture or integrating.
I can't be bothered to reply to rants like this.
 
Well for a start:
Preventing privatised utilities borrowing against assets transferred to them to pay dividends to shareholders, instead of borrowing to fund infrastructure investment as was the intention at the time of privatisation.

Tax multinational companies that structure their businesses so they appear to make a loss or minimal profit in this country but tell their share holders that their investments here are highly profitable. As is the practice of Starbucks and many others.

Regulate banks in the city which launder oligarchs stollen assets .

Don’t let our courts be used to impose SLAPS or exorbitant court charges that prevent the Serious Fraud Office (or whatever it’s called these days) pursuing criminal behaviour.

Agreeing with the international community to tax and regulate multinational giants.

Rejoin the EU and be part of a large powerful international regulator.
 
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Rejoin the EU and be part of a large powerful international regulator.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-ruling-gave-ireland-13bn-euros-it-didnt-want

I hadn't quite realised that the mega-rich (Farage, Banks, et al) saw brexit as high tax threat.
The vote for brexit was a vote to keep the rich rich, and a confidence trick on the electorate.
We need to rejoin.
Not likely to happen under Starmer.
In fact nothing much at all is likely to happen under Starmer - he's an old fashioned "steady as she goes" conservative, with dubious alliances (Israel etc) and a taste for punishment, in the form of austerity.
He's getting some very low poll ratings - shortest new government honeymoon period for many years!
 
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I'd heard the rumours but no idea of the details.
Ireland as tax haven. https://jacobin.com/2024/05/ireland-tax-haven-policy-inequality#:~:text=The Irish establishment has built,of wages and living standards.
A warning for us all?
"When these wider consequences are factored in, the supposedly miraculous recovery of Irish capitalism is nothing of the sort. Tax haven Ireland certainly delivers the goods for the Irish elites and a minority of well-paid workers. For the majority, however, it can only supply average wages, poor public services, inflated prices, and dysfunctional housing."
 
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But it tends to be a large number of the lowest paid who work hardest and even try to hold down two jobs so that they can pay the rent etc.

So, in for instance a recession, or when a company goes bust and you get rising unemployment, this is because the unemployed have simply decided to give up work and sponge off the state?
Do you think unemployed miners or steel workers were simply opting for another life style and it had nothing to do with mines and steel works closing?
Non profit industries deserve to close and not be propped up by the state/tax payers, for too long the Unions priced these industries out of their own market and got what they deserved. Tin hat on, popcorn ready.
 
This relentlessly negative blame game is really boring. Seems to be a major feature on the right.
People live different lives nowadays, often don't stay in their family neighbourhood and may find their family widely dispersed. Add poor housing and low wages and there is a problem of care for the elderly. How to resolve this is another issue.

Survival. They are under attack from all directions and sticking together becomes necessary. In fact any migrants, even Brits going abroad, will tend to stick together to some extent. Good luck to them.
These days it's as if as soon as an aging parent becomes a problem then many are dumped in care homes when in fact they could be looked after by their offspring instead of them ending up often lonely in care homes.
I lost my parents when they were very young and I was too. I'll tell you what, I'd give anything to have had them in my life longer and they wouldn't have ended up in care homes unless they needed specialist care that I couldn't give them, that's for sure.
I couldn't have let my parents go into a care home for my convenience or because of inconvenience so yes there is justification in the blame game as you put it. It seems any excuse is justified to get rid of then these days.
People have a duty and responsibility to look after their elderly relatives. Many cultures do this but it seems such as the Brits put their lives/lifestyles above those who brought them into the world. What kind of a culture is that?

One thing I do respect is the culture of some migrants where you will find several generations of one family living under one roof...you don't get that very often in indigenous British homes these days.
 
These days it's as if as soon as an aging parent becomes a problem then many are dumped in care homes when in fact they could be looked after by their offspring instead of them ending up often lonely in care homes.
I lost my parents when they were very young and I was too. I'll tell you what, I'd give anything to have had them in my life longer and they wouldn't have ended up in care homes unless they needed specialist care that I couldn't give them, that's for sure.
I couldn't have let my parents go into a care home for my convenience or because of inconvenience so yes there is justification in the blame game as you put it. It seems any excuse is justified to get rid of then these days.
People have a duty and responsibility to look after their elderly relatives. Many cultures do this but it seems such as the Brits put their lives/lifestyles above those who brought them into the world. What kind of a culture is that?

One thing I do respect is the culture of some migrants where you will find several generations of one family living under one roof...you don't get that very often in indigenous British homes these days.
So you'd support more spending on home care for the elderly?
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/socia...e-services-equipment-and-care-homes/homecare/
More people survive into old age nowadays so it's a growing problem. I've already lived 7 years longer than my dad. Neither of my wife's parents made 70.
My parents were looked after by my two sisters, both taking turns and later retired and living close by, with a bit of help from me further away - plus NHS at home care when they needed much more attention than we could manage. Worked out OK.
You are blaming "Brits lifestyle" for not doing this, but for many it would be not so easy.
There's more to it than the blame game.
Ed Davey on the ball:
"Lib Dem policies include paying care workers a minimum of £2-an-hour more than the “national living wage”, as well as professionalising training and accreditation for the sector. The party also wants more help for personal and family carers, including more flexibility over work, to stop people being harshly penalised for inadvertently breaching rules."
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...udy-tories-ed-davey-lib-dems-party-conference
Good to know we have an opposition against our new conservative/Labour government!
Lib Dems could be on a winner - it's an open goal!
 
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A purely personal view - I accept that others will have different opinions or even find these objectionable.

Life is for living - not necessarily riotous drug and alcohol fuelled excess (fine if it works for you), but the simple things. Company of friends and family, going to a cricket match, enjoying a meal, watching a film, etc etc.

Once one gets to the stage where these things are no longer feasible, and perhaps infirmity or pain makes day to day life a misery, this is not living but dying - the bit between life and death.

I do not want to spend my final days/weeks/months/years staring vacantly into the middle distance in a care home hoping that someone might visit. Nor do I want to burden my children with my care at a point in their lives when their world should be expanding post child rearing.

I sincerely hope that legislation on assisted dying is passed so that I am supported to end my life at a time of my choosing. In the absence of legislation, I hope that I have the personal resolve to act independently.
 
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