New Diesel & Petrol Ban

[Vulcan]

It’s the Daily Fail (and Kier Starmer) so hardly reliable. But what’s the point anyway? When the Tory Government extended it to 2035 some car manufacturers (Ford?) said it wouldn’t make any difference anyway as they plan for the long term.

Daily Fail

 

[RobinBHM]

it was in the Labour manifesto but it wasnt in the Kings speech and no announcements have been made -so the Daily Mail are just speculating

there has been talk of extending hybrids until 2035


In my case it makes no difference as I have no intention of buying a new car any time soon anyway

 

[niemeyjt]

I wonder what the Conservatives will be promising for 2029 . . . of if there will be another U turn before then.

Maybe a few UK factory closures will concentrate minds?

 

[Richard_C]

The big manufacturers, Stellantis group, VAG, Ford will care more about their big market, the 500+ million in the EU, than 65 million here. We can only buy what companies choose to make so any variations in government policy will make little long term difference. Putting the controls on the wrong side is bad enough, don't expect them to run an engine factory just for us.

 

[Spectric]

Putting the controls on the wrong side is bad enough, don't expect them to run an engine factory just for us.

Looks like Fords are winding down there powertrain centre in the Uk with Germany taking EV and they already had everything else so a lot of well paid jobs going and also a big impact in the surrounding area.

 

[selectortone]

Where are UK car makers going to buy their steel now the blast furnaces at Port Talbot have been closed down? Another nail in the coffin of the British car industry?

 

[Jameshow]

Where are UK car makers going to buy their steel now the blast furnaces at Port Talbot have been closed down? Another nail in the coffin of the British car industry?

Im not socialist but I think Tata should be stripped of Thier ownership of British steel making as it's a asset of national importance esp to the armed forces.

Re the ICE I believe that Europe is 2035 so that's when the big markets / players will be winding down ice production.

To me it's just virtual signaling and big brother government. Which I think we will see alot more of under Starmer....

 

[Spectric]

Another nail in the coffin of the British car industry?

Sunderland is only across the sea from plenty of steel suppliers and I dare say they buy there.

and big brother government. Which I think we will see alot more of under Starmer

Watched an interesting interview with some older chap talking about authoritarianism, pointing out how the balkan states worked well as part of the soviet union but on it's breakup all the various factors in the balkans turned on each other and that because this multiculturalism that Mr Blair believed would benefit the UK has failed that to hold all the factions together will require more of a authoritarian leader and police state because society no longer just runs smoothly. So we can expect more big brother and enforcement laws to hold things together and try to prevent anymore civil unrest but it is a continous hard process as it is not natural, yes the solution would be some form of communism but also the Roman army was very multicultural but again very authoritarian with strong chain of leadership.

 

[niemeyjt]

Where are UK car makers going to buy their steel now the blast furnaces at Port Talbot have been closed down? Another nail in the coffin of the British car industry?

But it is all in aid of "net zero". Thank you Theresa May and Edward Milliband.

Of course, we will now buy our steel from China or India where it will continue to be extracted using coal - so making sweet FA difference to global CO2 - in fact it will make it worse as there are those transport costs.

As I might have said before, there is no situation a politician cannot make worse.

 

[Amplidyne]

I wonder what the Conservatives will be promising for 2029 . . . of if there will be another U turn before then.

Maybe a few UK factory closures will concentrate minds?

They all do so many U turns they end up doing doughnuts.
Sick of the lot of 'em.

 

[woodieallen]

But it is all in aid of "net zero". Thank you Theresa May and Edward Milliband.

Of course, we will now buy our steel from China or India where it will continue to be extracted using coal - so making sweet FA difference to global CO2 - in fact it will make it worse as there are those transport costs.

As I might have said before, there is no situation a politician cannot make worse.

Agreed...why are we bothering ? It's too late to do anything about climate change. Frankly I think we are just watering into the wind. How many coal fired plants did China make so far this year ? Net zero ? A nice warm fuzzy woke feeling but will do SFA to the planet.

 

[Spectric]

How many coal fired plants did China make so far this year ?

What about on our doorstep in Germany, they still had 50 plus in 2023 running yet us on our little islkand cannot even have one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Germany

 

[niemeyjt]

Not only that, but as a result UK electricity costs more than in rival countries - helping their industries out compete ours.

It is nice for the workers losing their jobs to have Tata to aim at, but the true villains are much nearer home.

 

[Jake]

Sunderland is only across the sea from plenty of steel suppliers and I dare say they buy there.


Watched an interesting interview with some older chap talking about authoritarianism, pointing out how the balkan states worked well as part of the soviet union but on it's breakup all the various factors in the balkans turned on each other and that because this multiculturalism that Mr Blair believed would benefit the UK has failed that to hold all the factions together will require more of a authoritarian leader and police state because society no longer just runs smoothly. So we can expect more big brother and enforcement laws to hold things together and try to prevent anymore civil unrest but it is a continous hard process as it is not natural, yes the solution would be some form of communism but also the Roman army was very multicultural but again very authoritarian with strong chain of leadership.

Interesting, who was the old guy? Not sure why you would listen to this sort of crap, but it's precisely how new fash brown out the horseshoe to appeal to the submissive who like the idea of strongmen leaders.

 

[Crazy Dave]

We're doomed, we're doomed I tell ya.

 

[deema]

I am just waiting, patience is a virtue. We have just switched off our very last coal fired electric generating plant that provided a really decent chunk of the UKs electrical needs. It’s gone, never to return. So, we now rely heavily on wind (c30% and increasing) and solar (4% and increasing) that wonderful natural resource that never ends…..apart from on days when it doesn’t blow and when the sun doesn’t shine! Of course, since we are running at over 85% of generating capacity, if the wind doesn’t blow it won’t be an issue to make up the extra generating capacity required….with???.??
Now what happens if the grid cannot provide the power demand? Well it’s not the case that the lights just dim a bit, the whole network shuts down and needs a restart. The lights go out, and that takes time.

Now granny and grandad who have converted or live in a house with either air or ground source, bought an electric car will fully understand why they are freezing to death and can’t get an emergency vehicle to take them to hospital, as they too are all now electric and can’t drive to hospital with a heart attack or having fallen as their car is also electric. I forgot, they won’t have the winter fuel allowance so they won’t have the heating on anyway!

 

[Blackswanwood]

I am just waiting, patience is a virtue. We have just switched off our very last coal fired electric generating plant that provided a really decent chunk of the UKs electrical needs. It’s gone, never to return. So, we now rely heavily on wind (c30% and increasing) and solar (4% and increasing) that wonderful natural resource that never ends…..apart from on days when it doesn’t blow and when the sun doesn’t shine! Of course, since we are running at over 85% of generating capacity, if the wind doesn’t blow it won’t be an issue to make up the extra generating capacity required….with???.??
Now what happens if the grid cannot provide the power demand? Well it’s not the case that the lights just dim a bit, the whole network shuts down and needs a restart. The lights go out, and that takes time.

Now granny and grandad who have converted or live in a house with either air or ground source, bought an electric car will fully understand why they are freezing to death and can’t get an emergency vehicle to take them to hospital, as they too are all now electric and can’t drive to hospital with a heart attack or having fallen as their car is also electric. I forgot, they won’t have the winter fuel allowance so they won’t have the heating on anyway!

Your usual optimistic outlook

 

[deema]

Your usual optimistic outlook

Needed to provide a bit of balance

 

[spanner48]

Where are UK car makers going to buy their steel now the blast furnaces at Port Talbot have been closed down? Another nail in the coffin of the British car industry?

When I worked at Ford, steel sheet for bodywork pressings was bought in either from British Steel [Redcar & Port Talbot] or from Hoogovens in Holland. The British steel was cheaper but, unless you pressed it straight away, would 'kink' in the press, rather than bending smoothly. Then the car would end up looking like it was made out of corrugated iron. The Dutch steel never gave any problems. They had to buy some British steel, to keep the government onside; but they didn't like it.

 

[Gerry]

Gestamp used a lot of French steel for chassis manufacture and Hydroforming

Gerry