Everything except 2-3k calories a day and a few litres of water are wants, we don't "need" anything else.
Lots of hot air
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Everything except 2-3k calories a day and a few litres of water are wants, we don't "need" anything else.
Yes because you are living in an area that we can only colonise because of our technological advancement. If we go back to living on the plains of Africa we wouldn't need the shelter and heat, of course many of us would die, only the tough would survive.
Oh no, surviving on what we "need" isn't easy, that's why it is calling surviving. But these people are talking about what is essential and just being silly really, they say we are using more than we "need" that we don't "need" to go on holiday etc, they are doing this sat in a nice warm home, dry, comfortable, clothed, well fed and on an electronic device maybe even sat in a well tooled workshop. They don't "need" any of these things, they "want" them, but they don't want others to enjoy themselves like they do.
Jacob
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Truth leaking out: "Rich people, in every country, are overwhelmingly more responsible for global heating than the poor, with SUVs and meat-eating singled out for blame, while the high-carbon basis for future economic growth comes under question" Greenhouse gas emissions must peak within 4 years, says leaked UN report
You know what rich people in western countries don't do that contributes massively to emissions? They don't have lots of kids.
Trainee neophyte
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Does this mean that all our wealth MUST be confiscated, for the good of the planet? I think the term is "watermellon": green on the outside, but red on the inside.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
No, only yours.
Jacob
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They make up for it by consuming more themselves. Much more.
https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=24
Nope, there is nothing you can do that is more polluting that having a child. Having children create a theoretical infinite amount of pollution (assuming they all themselves go on to have children)
There is if you have two, three or more.
Trainee neophyte
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How very Animal Farm of you.
Well that is very true!
Keith Cocker
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Sorry, not so. Life started long before man came on the scene and the animals that evolved into man were prey to other more evolved creatures. We gradually overtook them and now have an unassailable lead - which, I agree, we are misusing hugely.
Valhalla
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Are these articles you've actually read or did you google the subject and cut and paste the list of returned documents?
Valhalla
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Have you never watched Brian Cox's 'The Planets' on tv? This planet was NOT created by some unseen hand - it evolved........ and the sooner it can be proved beyond any doubt the better.
Jacob
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Of course I read them, except the last one of course, which is huge and can only be flipped through at first. Easier to pick up on the commentaries first.
I knew about the Romans and environment but that was a new read. The gist of early ecology is well known Ancient civilizations were already messing up the planet
I read Rachel Carson when it came out I was still at school. Still got the same copy from nearly 60 years ago!
I read The Ecologist Blueprint when it came out I had a sub to the Ecologist at the time and I have a copy still in a box somewhere. I was into ecology at the time and read Konrad Lorenz and others. Darwin, Richard Dawkins, etc etc
I knew about John Tyndall but not about Eunice Foot, so that was a new read
I've been reading this sort of stuff on and off all my life. Scientific American, New Scientist etc
Just spotted my copy of "The Old Red Sandstone, or, New Walks in an Old Field" by Miller 1841 that's a little gem!
PS every time I google something interesting turns up - I 'd never heard of Tim Watkins before last week Seeing the harness but not the horse
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Jacob
What goes around comes around.
It can never be proved unless the unseen hand chooses to pop in and admit or deny it. He (She ) might say "no that's not one of mine"!
Two stages, pre steam engine and mankind had undertaken a large amount of forrest clearance for farming and then post steam engine where we began digging for coal, followed by oil. First lot could plead ignorance but by the end of the victorian period someone must have been thinking about the enviroment but just like now it may have come up in conversation but no action.
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