Is This Really What We are Bringing into the World?

[Mike.C]

lurker,

I was reading yesterday (times I think) were some kids blocked & stoned an ambulance trying to get a heart attack victim to hospital. Victim died in back of ambulance.

devonwoody,

Down in Cornwall, teenage girl helped chuck someone off a viaduct, reported that she stamped on his fingers when the victim, who died, tried to save himself when hanging on.

and I thought contaminating water was bad.

Cheers

Mike

 

[ByronBlack]

Mike - it might not come across it, but i was just teasing, no hard feelings at my end.

 

[Mike.C]

Byron,

Mike - it might not come across it, but i was just teasing, no hard feelings at my end.

No problem Byron, it did come across, and I knew you were just messing about. There is certainly no hard feelings from this end either. Its all done and dusted as far as I am concerned.

 

[woodbloke]

Benchwayze wrote -

that dimheaded Army Officer's attitude to it makes me despair

John - not entirely sure why you take this point of view. Reading the complete para about what he said re logistical problems I tend to agree....it's a vast undertaking to distribute the drinking water to all those who need it and the Army are doing IMO, the best job they can under very difficult conditions - Rob

 

[SammyQ]

I've been a teacher for 26 years and had major pastoral resposibilities for 10 of them. I'm also the father of three bright and successful teenagers. Without doubt, the issue of yobbish or thuggish behaviour - which started this thread - is a complex one. My experience has taught me that a large part of it is an individual being taught restraint, by a significant elder figure, whether that be parent, relative, religious representative or teacher.

How the restraint is experienced will differ from person to person; I appreciate that preventative legislation to stop domestic violence is a good thing, the NSPCC has perhas less to do as a result. BUT... somehow, the concept of "conseqences" (of an unpleasant nature) must be brought home to a young person and the younger the better. Who amongst us, as parents, has not experienced "the terrible twos"? If a young person learns that there are no "consequences", they progress, to greater or lesser extents, to 'buck the rules'. I see this daily, and I work in a GOOD school, not one in an inner-city, declining, unemployment 'hotspot'.

Political correctness has done us no favours over the last two decades. It seems to have been coupled to a total lack of foresight as to how blanket legislation could influence events and create further problems. Don't get me wrong; I have seen enough human misery within families to realise something had to be done to protect the vulnerable, but there is SO much cossetting beyond the necessary that the ungodly have quickly learned to manipulate said restrictive legislation to suit themselves and pander to their own unrestricted hedonism.

This is going to sound like the Ayatollah speaking, but I for one would like to see a return to a more rigorous society. I too was caned and clipped round the ear as a schoolboy, but I am sure I would not recommend we return to physical torture as a "consequence". Instead, why not 'work experience' of a quite different nature? Drain clearing, rubbish sorting, lavatory cleaning, farm labouring, road digging? And, why on earth should prison be SUCH a cushy number? It costs me as a taxpayer what, 10-100, 000£ per prisoner, per year? Phone cards, central heating, regular meals? Just as soon as EVERY Goverment minister can show me that EVERYchild in Britain can enjoy the same benefits, THEN we can give these perks back to prisoners. I am not Utopian, but I will claim more common sense than the goody-two-shoes, 'social conscience' mutts who are restricting the control of our young and providing endless opportunities to the criminal amongst us.

Honest politicians? Jack Ashley and perhaps Frank Field. Rest of them are a bunch of vote chasers.

 

[White House Workshop]

I think the relentless drive for 'equality' has a lot to do with it. Kids think they are equal to adults, new graduates think they are equal to someone who's been in the job for 10 years, people with an IQ of 40 think they are equal to those in Mensa, and so on. It's about time the politicians woke up to the fact that life is not equal, that most people really don't want equality, most of them actually might just want to be BETTER than their neighbours. It's an elusive dream that fosters another liberal-minded utopia that is also ruining society - entitlement. No-one is entitled to anything - you have to earn it, and that includes respect...

Enough ranting. In my own tiny little environment there's nothing much I can do about it - which makes me feel impotent and I get angry about it and then, who knows. As the previous poster said, it's complex...

 

[newt]

Some interesting statements, I pick out the following: PC has done very little. New Grads often do think they can jump the experience que (apprenticeships did help craft or student). Drugs, folks do stupid things which they may not do if sober, some do not even know they have done anything wrong. I was brought up in the 50/60's but lived in a little village no TV, did not even know there was such a thing as a drug, I am being honest, I only knew that folk that drunk beer ( ok that is a drug) could not walk straight. Teenage years into sport football/car racing, not even much time for girls, to tired. college, study, apprenticeship, job, no real time to mess, although I did scrump apples, and jumped off a water tower with a home made parachute (in the interest of science). My three children who were exposed to TV and probably drugs, followed similar lines to me, lots of study, sport, they had the odd party, they learnt to sail, very close family did everything together. Again brought up in a village/small community 200 people, I dont know if this has any major influence, but when I see some of the tower blocks with nothing for the kids to do, I worry some.

 

[Newbie_Neil]

Hi all

Please keep politics out of this thread, as you all know the consequences.

Thanks,
Neil

 

[SammyQ]

Sorry, this issue got under my skin.

 

[Benchwayze]

Down in Cornwall, teenage girl helped chuck someone off a viaduct, reported that she stamped on his fingers when the victim, who died, tried to save himself when hanging on.

Our teenagers down here are real s o d s. :twisted:

And to think... It's peole like that who call the Police PIGS!

And rubbish like this : (homer) on TV doesn't help either. (Makes Alf Garnet seem like a Choirboy and I wish my daughter would forbid granddaughter to watch it!)

Right, I've 'ad me rant. Now I am going to read some woodwork books, for some inspiration on how to improve the hovel I call a workshop!


John :x

 

[Benchwayze]

Benchwayze wrote -

that dimheaded Army Officer's attitude to it makes me despair

John - not entirely sure why you take this point of view. Reading the complete para about what he said re logistical problems I tend to agree....it's a vast undertaking to distribute the drinking water to all those who need it and the Army are doing IMO, the best job they can under very difficult conditions - Rob

To be sure they are Rob, but at times they are led by dimwits unfortunately. To say that there isn't a problem when there clearly is, is being dimwitted.
That officer was either promoted beyond his own level of competence, or he knew the right persons! Can't he understand that urinating in drinking water, and smashing taps on bowsers is criminal damage at the very least.

As for logistics, the Army has a Regiment devoted to it. Should be like rolling of a log to them.
But Ce'st la vie....

John

 

[Alf]

To be sure they are Rob, but at times they are led by dimwits unfortunately. To say that there isn't a problem when there clearly is, is being dimwitted.
That officer was either promoted beyond his own level of competence, or he knew the right persons! Can't he understand that urinating in drinking water, and smashing taps on bowsers is criminal damage at the very least.

'Course he could tell it like it is and potentially see someone who can't do the job take over simply because they're better at being a brown-nosed git than he is... :roll:

Cheers, Alf

 

[Anonymous]

(homer) is cool, my son loves it. But maybe I should let him watch repeats of "love thy Neighbour" from the seventies. I know which one is the worst. If you actually look at the values in the Simpsons, I think they are pretty good, tom and jerry did me no harm........ anyway got to go and see my parol officer now, may duff up a granny on the way (thats a joke before I get inundated with PMs)

 

[Benchwayze]

(homer) is cool, my son loves it. But maybe I should let him watch repeats of "love thy Neighbour" from the seventies. I know which one is the worst. If you actually look at the values in the Simpsons, I think they are pretty good, tom and jerry did me no harm........ anyway got to go and see my parol officer now, may duff up a granny on the way (thats a joke before I get inundated with PMs)

You are going back a bit, and attitudes have changed Senior. But if you remember the series, from a certain point of view, then it was Smethurst who always came off second dog.

Remember the episode where Rudolph Walker had him codded into dancing naked around a tree? And the two wives! Did they take the stuffing out of their respective 'ubbies! Besides it was adult entertainment. My kids weren't allowed to watch it. (I'm not sure they were old enough to know what a television set was come to think about it! )

Suffice to say, I saw the moral message rather than the harm in the programme.

John

 

[Benchwayze]

To be sure they are Rob, but at times they are led by dimwits unfortunately. To say that there isn't a problem when there clearly is, is being dimwitted.
That officer was either promoted beyond his own level of competence, or he knew the right persons! Can't he understand that urinating in drinking water, and smashing taps on bowsers is criminal damage at the very least.

'Course he could tell it like it is and potentially see someone who can't do the job take over simply because they're better at being a brown-nosed git than he is... :roll:

Cheers, Alf

Hi Alf,

I don't think I said he couldn't deliver on the job he had been set.

I was dismayed at his 'brush it under the carpet' attitude to the sabotage, by saying there were only 'isolated incidents.' I.e. 'We can't do much about it, so let's play it down eh?'

Tell that to the folk who had no water.

John