Is This Really What We are Bringing into the World?

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I was reading yesterday (times I think) were some kids blocked & stoned an ambulance trying to get a heart attack victim to hospital. Victim died in back of ambulance.

The problem is, these kids know they are untouchable.

In my day someone would have given me a good hiding and then told my Dad and then I'd get another thrashing.
 
According to the press conference given by the Chief Constable this lunchtime, there's no truth to the reports that bowsers are being contaminated.

And he's pleased to note that the crime rate for Gloucestershire has fallen dramatically!

Gill
 
Mike.C":1a7d5pj3 said:
Is this typical of the youngsters today? Is this really what we are bringing into the world.


Bring back the birch.

Cheers

Mike
I don't know about the yobs. That's bad enough, but that dimheaded Army Officer's attitude to it makes me despair. No wonder our boys and girls are getting killed in Iraq.
John :x :cry:
 
lurker,

In my day someone would have given me a good hiding and then told my Dad and then I'd get another thrashing.

Your right, you would hate the bloke who did it, but by god you wouldn't cross him again.

Cheers

Mike
 
Gill":302ajc03 said:
And he's pleased to note that the crime rate for Gloucestershire has fallen dramatically!
Apparently so has terrorist activity! Tell you what, let's flood London :roll:
 
The country needs to re-instate all the area of discipline and responcibility that he has slowly eroded away over the last 20 years. It's not the kids that are the problem, they are the by-product of the chavvy parents.

Vigilantism is the way forward! Or a moderate approach like there was in the states a few years ago (Guardian Angels).
 
ByronBlack":1gmm1p0j said:
It's not the kids that are the problem, they are the by-product of the chavvy parents.
And who exactly produced the chavvy parents? Aren't they the by-product of so-called progressive, liberal, middle-class, woolly thinking of the 1960s and later? The same sort of thinking which bans competitive sports in primary schools?

Scrit
 
Mike.C wrote:
Is this typical of the youngsters today? Is this really what we are bringing into the world
.


Bring back the birch.
Cheers

Mike


[]A question from a 74 year old

Is this the fruits of the harvest of the seeds sown by the liberalists,and the do-gooders who said "you must not chastise your children, they should grow up to be free spirits"
 
ByronBlack,

It's not the kids that are the problem, they are the by-product of the chavvy parents.

It's ever so easy to blame the parents, but whats the excuse when two kids are treated exactly the same by the parents, but one turns out bad and the other good, whos to blame then?
When I was at school you got the cane or the strap for doing the least little thing wrong, and then when you went home you got it off the old man. But today the parent is not even allowed to give them a smack on the bum.

Don't get me wrong I was no angel, but I had respect for my elders.

I am not saying that parents are completely innocent, but I think it goes a hell of a lot further then how the parents treat their children.

Cheers

Mike
 
Mike, don't get me wrong i'm absolving these kids from responcibility, just saying that they are the product of poor parenting - and also of the factors of my first point - the total removal of any discipline and repurcussions.

For example, parents are not allowed to smack their children anymore. School teachers have a mandate which stops them from being strong with kids.
The police have their hands tied as the laws are weak and the courts often let them down with pathetic sentancing.

If I was a kid, and my parents weren't disciplining me and I got in with the wrong crowd, then there would be nothing stopping me from heading down the path.

It's all a combination of the above and errosion of respect in today's society. Kids are given far too much importance and wrapped in cotton wool.

I have no idea how it will be reversed, it will take atleast 2 or maybe 3 generations.

We could always do what James Whale suggests - sterilise boys at birth, and make them pass a number of tests/condition before they are given a license to breed. :-0)
 
dennyk,

[]A question from a 74 year old

Is this the fruits of the harvest of the seeds sown by the liberalists,and the do-gooders who said "you must not chastise your children, they should grow up to be free spirits"

lurker,

I was reading yesterday (times I think) were some kids blocked & stoned an ambulance trying to get a heart attack victim to hospital. Victim died in back of ambulance.

I think the family of the victim would say "Yes"

Cheers

Mike
 
I don't know what i'm more shocked by. Finding another person who agrees with J.Whale, or you agreeing with me :) But in my logical brain, it does make sense.

You have to a license to drive a car, yet any inbred can give birth - something not quite right about that.
 
ByronBlack,

I don't know what i'm more shocked by. Finding another person who agrees with J.Whale, or you agreeing with me But in my logical brain, it does make sense.

Tut Tut, now, now, Byron :roll: , it may surprise you to know that I agree with a lot you have to say, its just every now and again we don't see things in the same light.

Cheers

Mike
 
ByronBlack":3a7c07e5 said:
You have to a license to drive a car, yet any inbred can give birth - something not quite right about that.
Yes, but I've never heard of anyone being beaten to death with a .......

Seriously, though, you're at the beginning of the slope which led to the concept of eugenics. Whilst a certain Mr. Schicklgruber is probably the best known adherent to that philosophy other supporters included Winston Churchill and Alexander Graham Bell. Surely it would be better to have a society in which social values and upstanding behaviour were rewarded and anti-social behaviour punished and where the young were taught civic values as opposed to being left rootless and with no moral or ethical values which appears to be our current system. I feel that any politician trying to introduce such a system of education would find himself out of office in short order

Scrit
 
Has anyone read the book Freakonomics by two guys I can't remember?

Good little read if you see it. It's not so much a book as a collection of essays. I think some of them were for various US mags/papers.

There is a very credible explanation of the changing patterns of crime in the US from the '70's to the '90's. Much was made in New York of the Mayor's drive of Zero Tolerance towards petty crime, and finding employment for the poor. Guiliani, I think he was. He presided over a very impressive fall in the crime rate, and took a lot of credit.

The trouble was, a lot of other places, which did not follow the same Zero Tolerance approach, also showed parallel patterns of reduced crime, and in some states the pattern was the same but offset by a few years.

Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice.

The explanation offered for this is the case of Wade versus Rowe.

Abortion was illegal in many states, but that, of course, didn't mean it didn't happen. But if a nice white middle-class 14-year-old girl has parents with money, she can be dealt with quietly. But it's much more difficult if she is not white, not middle class or her parents do not have money. Children born into such socioeconomic situations are, in turn, much more likely to grow up and commit crimes themselves.

These are not my words, just in case someone is getting upset, I'm trying to precis the argument.

Once abotion became legal, many of these unplanned children simply were not born, therefore 15 or 20 years later they were not around to cause the sort of crime that was upsetting the Mayor of NY. Hence the decline in figures. In some states abortion was legalised before other states, hence the offset in pattern.

It was written as a very plausible argument, I enjoyed the read.

Certainly I'd be happier if some of the teenagers round here didn't exist. But I'd really prefer if they did exist and behaved in a civilised manner.

I must see if I can find the book, maybe it's time for a revisit.
 
Scrit":1ku8lnsn said:
ByronBlack":1ku8lnsn said:
It's not the kids that are the problem, they are the by-product of the chavvy parents.
And who exactly produced the chavvy parents? Aren't they the by-product of so-called progressive, liberal, middle-class, woolly thinking of the 1960s and later? The same sort of thinking which bans competitive sports in primary schools?

Scrit

Yup. Got it in one.
 
I hope you guy have remembered to take your blood pressure pills today :lol: .

Gill
 
Down in Cornwall, teenage girl helped chuck someone off a viaduct, reported that she stamped on his fingers when the victim, who died, tried to save himself when hanging on.

Our teenagers down here are real s o d s. :twisted:
 

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