billw
The Tattooed One
GOP ???????
Cheers James
Grand Old Party = Republicans
GOP ???????
Cheers James
Which might also happen I suppose, if the GOP fractured it might embolden the progressive left. to gamble. The two party system does seem to be struggling to cope with the current demographic.
Do you think there has been an election in the last 50 years where the US hasn't done something to manipulate soviet or russian elections, or the converse? It's daily business. Would you like to contend the English never get involved in any of this kind of meddling, either? It's part of superpowers screwing with each other.
Grand Old Party = Republicans
5 blokes in a shed? Is Matt Hancock in chargeYou appear to have swallowed the party line in a big way. Have you ever heard of 77 Brigade? It's a British army internet assault unit, specifically designed to keep us all safe from democracy. From wikipedia:
That's just one of many UK based government run departments who have a specific remit to create fake news, change opinion and generally muddy the waters. Its not just government, because we have moved to a facist private/public partnership style of unelected, unaccountable systems of NGOs and people like Integrity Initiative.The USA has way more of the same. Most western nations also play the game, with the 5 eyes nations being top of the heap. Then, as you say, you have the nation's who suffer at the hands of these groups using countermeasures. Sometimes I wonder how many accounts on the internet are real - take out all the bots, and the government propaganda merchants, and the foreign intelligence agencies, and it is entirely possible that there is no real discourse on the internet at all. It's all just propagandists trying to trick each other.
Here's how the British government spends taxpayer money abroad: REVEALED: The British government’s covert propaganda campaign in Syria
What's to stop foreign governments doing the same in the UK? Or the USA, for that matter...
Yup, this is very true. There's no way that nations don't interfere with elections when it's in their interests. I certainly don't think the UK is innocent of doing it as much as the Russians and Chinese are.
There has been investigation of the complaints, including recounts. The Trump side have brought forward no evidence and non has been found, beyond marginal error. Trump himself was recorded on the phone trying to get someone to fix the vote. There have been investigations all over the place involving law processes and thousands of man hours.I'm looking at the US events from afar, as a foreigner, but it seems to me that there will be continued protests and escalating trouble unless there is a detailed and transparent investigation of the claims of election fraud, especially regarding possible electronic vote switching in the swing states. There seems to be more evidence of manipulation than was ever presented in the previous election with "Russian Interference" . There are tales of strange happenings; of inexplicable simultaneous halting of vote counting in all 5 swing states with subsequent vote tabulation changing the lead from Trump to Biden; The only states where Biden got more votes than Obama ever got were in those same swing states; analysis of reported vote totals in real time show time periods of negative candidate vote totals in some time segments, and/or unlikely district results where 90% of votes go to Biden; signed affadavits admitting that vote counting software was tampered with; etc
When the people asking questions are just labeled as delusional and have their facebook/twitter/www accounts blocked/banned without addressing the possibility of some grain of truth in their concerns, and the courts refuse to hear any arguments, it increases the appearance of a whitewash or coverup of election fraud. So I can totally understand why a section of US society thinks its their patriotic duty to protest against this apparent (to them) violation of a free and fair democratic vote.
If it is claimed that the voting machine results and tabulations have been changed using computer algorithms, and no rigorous and transparent check is is made to disprove that this has happened or is possible, then the whole concept of a democratic vote is in question.
Thankfully they still use paper votes where I am, and these can be re-counted if there's questions, so that people who listen to too many conspiracy theories can have their worries calmed.
Seems to indicate they are annoying everyone, depending on their views - probably getting the balance ?
There has been investigation of the complaints, including recounts. The Trump side have brought forward no evidence and non has been found, beyond marginal error. Trump himself was recorded on the phone trying to get someone to fix the vote. There have been investigations all over the place involving law processes and thousands of man hours.
They did find voter fraud. It was a republican voter in his 70's who tried to vote as his dead mother! Silly old tw*t.
There's voter fraud in every election. Happens here all the time. Happens everywhere. It's a very, very, very tiny percentage of the result. It ain't gonna change any result. . . . unless it happens to be Russia or Belarus or some other tinpot country. Trump wanted to be just like them.
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