Import. Was it worth it ???

[neilc]

Okay the price I got for the Scheppach TS4010 from McQuillan Tools in Dublin was €3295 over the phone. I was told this was for all options including the sliding carriage. I'm not famillar with what else comes with the TS4010.

Okay now on to the full cost of the import. While going to the trouble of importing the item I also got some extra's which have to be taken into account. I will give the dollar price for everything and then give the converted euro value.

1 No. 36-831 Unisaw with Biesemeyer fence $1479.99
1 No. 34-184G Deluxe Tenoning Attachment $96.99
1 No. 34-264G 8" Dado Insert $18.99
1 No. 35-535G 8" Safety Dado $99.99
2 No. 115-472 Woodtec Sawblades $62.98
1 No. 801-547Five Piece Dado Shim Set $13.95
Shipping $694.98
Total $2467.87

This converted to €2,072.30 (taken directly from visa statement)
Add to this figure Irish Customs charges €487.44
For a grand total of €2559.74

This is a €735.26 cheaper than the Scheppach TS4010 delivered direct to my door.

Just a couple of further notes. I didn't get a break down of Irish Customs charges as Bax Global paid this and I in return gave them a cheque. The shipping charges to the UK is cheaper as there isn't the extra transport from the UK to Ireland. The dollar prices were correct at the time of my purchase. At todays exchange rate euro/sterling €2559.74 is 1,742.78 GBP taken from http://www.XE.com

Okay so that the full story. Be honest I think I did well, what do you think?
Neil

 

[Steve Maskery]

Hi Neil
I'm not intimately familiar with either saw, but it seems to me that:

1 If you regard the two saws as directly comparable, you have saved yourself a few bob, you feel like you've "pulled one over" and you have a bargain

2 You are comparing apples with pears.

Personally, if I were in your shoes, I'd be celebrating, although I wouldn't spend the entire saving on a bottle of champers - save some for a new Veritas Low Angle Jack (received yesterday, imperfect, but still PDF - fixed smile hasn't vanished yet!)

Enjoy
Steve

 

[Mcluma]

Celebrating or not, you got a saw you want, and that is more important then anything else,

You choose and got the saw you feel happy with, its a big discission which you will have to life with for a good 10 years!!!!!.

Then money isn't a big thing!!!!!

Now stop thinking of the money you spend and start making saw dust :wink:

McLuma

 

[Alf]

Neil,

I forget; when did you do the import? Also is there a Woodford model similar to your Delta and what would that cost? Also, as you say, there's the Irish Question (no, not that one, this one) I think you got the right result, but I'm no nearer knowing if the same would apply to someone in GB now.

So I suppose that makes me undecided? What's new...

Cheers, Alf

 

[devonwoody]

Neil, yes you got what you want, something that is not available in Europe, the dado cutting accessory and a mitre fence which seems to be disappearing from the local scene.

I assume there was a sliding carriage on the Delta?
How long was placing of order and delivery to your workshop?

 

[gidon]

Neil
Only you know whether it was worthwhile for you. Personally I like the sliding table on my European saw (Scheppach TS2000) and I like the safety features too. I'm guessing you have no riving knife or NVR switch?Plus I have benefited from the local support I've had from NMA and feel comforted that any future problems with it should be easily resolved. But that aside you've got yourself a dream saw in all other ways - enjoy it!
Cheers
Gidon

 

[Offcut]

MMmm, So you spent £1700 and saved £500 so about 22% saving on a saw that you think would have been similar.

Doesn't sound too bad on the face of it.

No NRV - how do you start and stop it?

Andy

 

[Jake]

This is just an odd comparison - for a start your Delta is a 10" machine and the TS4010 is a 12" machine.

A better comparison would be a TS2500 (a 10" machine) without the sliding carriage.

[edit] if it is possible to compare such different saws at all - one is old-fashioned US pig-iron, the other is a more modern and sophisticated but lighter-built Eurosaw.

 

[johnelliott]

I do look at table saw use from the full time woodworker perspective, and that means that a sliding table is totally vital and absolutely essential and very very important and quintessentially necessary

For those that don't need a sliding table, this way of acquiring a saw of this type looks very good

John

 

[Mdotflorida]

Hi Neil

It really doesn't matter if the figures stack up or not.

You can't put a price on the "It's what I really really wanted and now I've got it" factor.

I love my Unisaw and it was worth it for me. I'm sure the same applies to you.

Jeff

 

[DaveL]

No NRV - how do you start and stop it?

It should have one,

Motors are 3HP, 230V, 1PH, 3,450 RPM with magnetic starters.

A magnetic starter is a NVR by another name.

I think it was a good deal, but I am a cast iron lover, very happy with my old Wadkin, osborne mitre guide, delta tenon jig and freud dado set.

 

[seaco]

I love my Unisaw not missing a sliding table at all I rarely used it on my old saw guess it's what your used to and Gideon the saw comes with a riving knife and NVR switch...

 

[johnelliott]

not missing a sliding table at all I rarely used it on my old saw guess it's what your used to

What sort of work were you doing that you didn't use your sliding table?

I use mine for cutting eg rails, styles, panels , in fact anything that needs to be cut at a perfect right angle to an existing straight edge. I suppose if I was doing really small stuff I could use a mitre guide or something

John

 

[gidon]

I love my Unisaw ... <snip> ... the saw comes with a riving knife ...

OK - never seen one on Norm's . Or even a splitter for that matter!

Cheers

Gidon

 

[seaco]

not missing a sliding table at all I rarely used it on my old saw guess it's what your used to

What sort of work were you doing that you didn't use your sliding table?

I use mine for cutting eg rails, styles, panels , in fact anything that needs to be cut at a perfect right angle to an existing straight edge. I suppose if I was doing really small stuff I could use a mitre guide or something

John

Have you seen Norm use one, does he seem to be missing it, if one was really vital then he of all people would have one...

 

[Jake]

Have you seen Norm use one, does he seem to be missing it, if one was really vital then he of all people would have one...

Norm uses what he can get from his sponsors. If he was sponsored by a Altendorf, Felder, or even Scheppach, he would be using a sliding table, and not having one would be inconceivable.

He's just a joiner on (US) TV, you know.

 

[seaco]

Have you seen Norm use one, does he seem to be missing it, if one was really vital then he of all people would have one...

Norm uses what he can get from his sponsors. If he was sponsored by a Altendorf, Felder, or even Scheppach, he would be using a sliding table, and not having one would be inconceivable.

He's just a joiner on (US) TV, you know.

And if Norm told Delta he needed a Sliding table they would bring out one he has a huge influence on them...Still there's no point in getting into a quarrel over this I'm happy without and your happy with lets leave it at that!

 

[Noel]

No Jake, totally wrong there. He uses what he prefers, not what the sponsors want him to use. Why does he use a Lamello BJ when Pentair (PC & Delta, his main sponsors) can supply him with a PC 577 BJ? He actually prefers a Unisaw over any other make. He also uses a Timesaver wide belt sander which has no connection with Pentair. I'm sure there's many other items he prefers and uses that have no connection with his main sponsor.
Noel

 

[Jake]

Whatever, it doesn't matter.

Seaco - quite, you can like what you want to like, and that's all good.

My objection is to blind Norm-worship, where what Norm has is right because Norm has it.

 

[Noel]

Whatever, it doesn't matter.

Noel - quite, you can like what you want to like, and that's all good.

My objection is to blind Norm-worship, where what Norm has is right because Norm has it.

Agree with you Jake, worshipping Norm and trying to replicate his shop isn't always right.

Noel