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rob1713

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I found this nice ebony and brass mortise gauge in a local antique shop at a very reasonable price. It is in nicer than normal condition and looks to have had a easy life. The lack of normal water and tear has enabled me to see a makers marked stamped on the ebony. It looks like "Fisher" (definitely) Cheltenham (possibly)
My question is, has anyone heard of this tool/ gauge maker and what period do this finer / heavier gauges date from.
Thanks
Rob
 

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That's a fairly standard 'better quality' Sheffield-made gauge, which could date almost any time from about the mid 19th century until maybe the early 20th. It is in very nice condition, though; all the more so if the marking pins are still nicely defined - many vintage ones have the pins sharpened away to almost nothing.

Some rummaging online among the historical trade directories yielded the following; John Fisher was listed as 'Ironmonger etc' at 34 Winchcombe Street, Cheltenham in the 1897 Kelly's Directory. That date certainly fits with the style of the tool, and whilst it doesn't necessarily pin the dating exactly (Fisher may have been in business long before or after that date) it does give a general indication. Unfortunately, one thing it doesn't tell us is who the maker was!

It was common practice for Sheffield makers to supply tools unmarked, and for tool dealers and sellers to apply their own mark. For a larger quantity (usually a gross of something or more) manufacturers would apply the marks for the retailer or dealer. Quite a lot of vintage tools turn up so marked, and from the number that surface in some areas of the country marked with a dealer local to that area (G.P.Preston of Sheffield, or Frost's of Norwich, for example), a great deal of the tool dealing business was carried on along those lines.
 
Exactly. According to Ken Hawley, by the middle of the 20th century (the last days of traditional hand tool making in Sheffield) some small low volume tools like these were actually all made by one or two specialist makers. These were 'little mesters' working independently at piece rates. So whether marked Marples or Melhuish or whatever wholesaler or retailer put their name on the tool, it would have been made by the same man, at the same bench.

Even before the days of the 'last man standing' it was possible for a little mester to specialise in one tool to the extent that he became quicker than anyone else at making them, so would win business from all the big names, or at least, as much as he could handle.
 
The fact that the gauge is set with a screw rather than a thumb screw, does that suggest that the common working practise was to set the gauge at the beginning of the job and then leave it set right through until the end? Or even to leave it set across several jobs? If multiple gauges was the norm that might also help explain the vast number of second hand gauges in circulation.

Certainly the way I see full time makers work today is that they tend to have loads of gauges, at least five or six and sometimes ten or twenty, often with very different shapes or with different coloured tape banded around the handles. They keep them set throughout the job, so if they have to go back and re-make a component there's no need for a (likely doomed) attempt to perfectly reset a gauge to a previous setting.

Incidentally, the only gauge I've found that can be accurately re-set (so allowing you to work with one gauge rather than many) is this one,

https://woodworkersworkshop.co.uk/produ ... king-gauge
 
Richard Arnold has some interesting fixed setting gauges - rare survivors from the 18th century. They correspond to the commonest sizes of glazing bars. Very heavily worn - handmade sash windows were the epitome of repetitive work in joinery.
 
Thanks for the replies to this and a particular thank you to Cheshirechappie for scouring the trade directories for me.
Rob
 
As Cheshirechappie conjectures, the Fisher family ironmongery firms do, indeed, substantially pre-/post-date the 1897 trade directory listing.

The earliest relevant listing I've found is for a Charles Fisher, of 34 Winchcomb Street, Cheltenham, saw maker, in 1856. At that time, Charles would have been approximately 48, and I haven't been able to ascertain what he'd been doing prior to this listing. But, his son, John Fisher, was apparently born in Newport, Isle of Wight, in the second quarter of 1842, which suggests the family was living there at that time. Charles' 1859 trade listing has him still at 34 Winchcomb Street and an ironmonger (and tool maker). The 1861 census has his family at the same address, with his occupation listed as ironmonger. At that time the family consisted of Charles, ironmonger, his wife, Ann, a daughter Mary Ann and their son John, who is listed as his assistant.

Charles passed away December 22, 1863 at the relatively young age of 55, when John would have been 21 years of age. He took over the business and is listed as a saw and tool maker, at 34 Winchcomb Street, in the Cheltenham Annuaire from 1864 to 1873. Other directories list him as an ironmonger and tool maker in 1868 and as operating a tool warehouse, at the same address, in 1870. Once again, the Cheltenham Annuaire lists him as an ironmonger and tool maker from 1875 to 1877. Meanwhile, on May 30, 1867, John married Elizabeth Pearce Arkell, and by the 1871 census, the household had added two young daughters and a young servant. The 1871 census includes a note that John's ironmongery firm employed 7 men and 2 boys at that time. Then, on October 28, 1875, John marries for the second time, at which time he is listed as a widower and ironmonger, with Mary Anne Collett, of Taunton, as the bride.

By the 1881 census, the household and business at 34 Winchcomb Street had grown to include three children, John C., Ethel & Frank, as well as a visitor, an ironmonger's apprentice by the name of Tom Collett (apparently Mary Anne's distant cousin), and two domestic servants. There appears to be something of a change in the focus of the business during the 1880's, judging by trade directory listings in 1880 and 1885. In addition to mentioning ironmonger, these listings also include mentions of white smith and locksmith work, as well as bell hanging.

The 1891 census shows the family, on Winchcomb Street, as having grown once again, listing 5 sons, 1 daughter and 2 domestic servants - the eldest, John C., being only 14 years old. So it must have been quite a shock to the household when John passed away the following year just short of his 50th birthday, still a relatively young man. In any event, the trade listings in 1894 and 1897 indicate the firm of John Fisher, ironmonger, is still at 34 Winchcomb Street. It seems the firm, and family, continued to flourish, as the Board of Trade Journal for October 20, 1904 reports that the firm, John Fisher & Sons Limited had been registered with £10,000 in capital, in £1 shares, in order to acquire the ironmonger business carried on at 34 and 35 Winchcomb Street, Cheltenham. This limited firm continues to be listed as an ironmonger until, at least, 1938. From 1941 to 1948, the firm is listed as builders and merchants, and they seem to have moved the business to 16 Fairview Road, Cheltenham. They may have continued after that, but I've run out of evidence for the present.

Needless to say, the above doesn't help narrow down the possible date of manufacture of your mortise gauge. Additionally, it seems to open the door to the possibility, at least, that Charles or John Fisher may have made it. Incidentally, I did find a John Fisher advertisement for 1875. Hope this has been of some interest.

Don McConnell
Eureka Springs, AR

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Blimey, Don, you have been busy! There's quite a bit of research behind that post.

Just to add a little more, the Fishers of Winchcombe Street have an entry in Simon Barley's excellent volume 'British Saws and Saw Makers from c.1660', which pretty much summarises some of what Don has outlined above. There's also a photo of a stamp mark, probably from a backsaw back, showing FISHER above the word CHELTENHAM, all in serif capitals - pretty standard for mid to late 19th century.

In 1885, John Fisher was listed as 'wholesale and retail ironmonger, brazier and tin plate worker, bell hanger, oil and colour man' - which on first reading suggests someone with many businesses and business interest. However, I rather doubt that; Cheltenham at the time was a prosperous market town, but not a large city like Birmingham or Bristol. It would probably only have supported one wholesale ironmonger (though possibly several retail ones), and one who would have had several strings to his bow to generate enough income to support a family and a couple of domestic servants. He would not have sold many mortice gauges, there not being that many joiners and cabinetmakers in the town and surrounding area to justify his setting up to make them; he would have done what all market town ironmongers the length and breadth of Britain would have done, and bought them from a dealer in Sheffield. I suspect the same was true of his and his father's saws, too, despite the marks.

By the way, Cheltenham and the area surrounding it remain very pleasant places to visit should anyone be in the area. About 40 years ago I enjoyed a game of outdoor chess with the public giant chess board and pieces in one of the local parks. Happy days! (Anybody know if the outdoor chess set is still there?)
 
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