Domino or not domino

[jhwbigley]

sorry, my camera decided to have a fit :x

 

[Dibs-h]

No pics of the Leeds display?

I walked past it several times - nice stuff - I really liked the Ottoman and Side Table (no insult intended if it's supposed to be something else). Didn't dare try & take a picture. Been to a few shows in the past and taken a piccy or 2 only to have someone get all heavy about ACID (Anti Copying in Design) and ended up deleting them just to have 'em shut up.

Price Tool Sales - as you walk in on the left, were supposed to be taking up some Festool stuff, but only what's left of their stock, i.e. they aren't a delaer anymore and were dumping the stock. But apparently the HO person was saying it was just the dregs of the barrel, as almost all their Festool stock had been sold off.

So absolutely no Festool!

1 or so extra "tat" type stall this time.

Will be paying my local dealer a visit this week for my fix!

 

[wizer]

ACID (Anti Copying in Design)

What a ridiculous concept. That really gets on my wick. If you don't want someone to copy your work, then why display it? If someone really want to copy someone else work, then they will. Photos or not.

 

[woodbloke]

No pics of the Leeds display?

Did it happen?..where's all the pics? - Rob

 

[jedmc571]

Their is huge interest in the Domino, I'm invited to a "Domino Evening" which is being hosted at Grahams Machinery in Chester ( date not confirmed ) I was invited by Gordon Farrer, the North West rep, the idea is to select specific people ( previous Festool purchasers ) and showcase the Domino, and it's use, he suggested a little competition making something like a box, to give people hands on.

With this in mind I wondered how many would be interested in a " Bulk Buy " perhaps a number of members willing to purchase one, would get a beter deal :?:
Obviously ther's no guarantees here, but it wouldn't do any harm to ask :wink:

Incidentally, Grahams are at Harrogate tomorrow, if anyone wanted to speak to them?

I'm linked to them mainly as a very satisfied customer, and they supply my company Quinn Glass, with all the tools and consumables ( which is a tidy sum, believe me )

If you ask for Steve Brown ( he loks like a smaller version of Geoff Capes ) he'll do you a good deal, whilst you're there I'm sure :wink: I think they're showcasing Fein, and Bessey, and Bostich nailers

I'll be in Grahams on Tuesday, and will sound him out on the Dom multi buy idea...........but as I said, no guarantee they'll go for it 8)

Cheers

Jed

 

[Dibs-h]

Their is huge interest in the Domino, I'm invited to a "Domino Evening" which is being hosted at Grahams Machinery in Chester ( date not confirmed ) I was invited by Gordon Farrer, the North West rep, the idea is to select specific people ( previous Festool purchasers ) and showcase the Domino, and it's use, he suggested a little competition making something like a box, to give people hands on.

With this in mind I wondered how many would be interested in a " Bulk Buy " perhaps a number of members willing to purchase one, would get a beter deal :?:
Obviously ther's no guarantees here, but it wouldn't do any harm to ask :wink:

Incidentally, Grahams are at Harrogate tomorrow, if anyone wanted to speak to them?

I'm linked to them mainly as a very satisfied customer, and they supply my company Quinn Glass, with all the tools and consumables ( which is a tidy sum, believe me )

If you ask for Steve Brown ( he loks like a smaller version of Geoff Capes ) he'll do you a good deal, whilst you're there I'm sure :wink: I think they're showcasing Fein, and Bessey, and Bostich nailers

I'll be in Grahams on Tuesday, and will sound him out on the Dom multi buy idea...........but as I said, no guarantee they'll go for it 8)

Cheers

Jed

Cheers Jed

I bought some stuff off Graham's M\c yesterday and Festool did come up in the conversation and the chap gave me his card. Will ring him On Tues\Wed to see what they can do. A bulk buy would get 0% off the tool, but may well get a good discount off accessories. I suppose it's all swings and roundabouts - but as long as there's savings , doesn't really matter how they do it.

 

[Mr Ed]

I'd be very intersted to know what deal you manage to get - I could be interested.

Ed

 

[Anonymous]

As one not even remotely interested in the domino, it still seems to me that sagacity lies in waiting a while.

Not long ago, the Festool TS55 was unique, now 5 other well known manufacturers of good quality tools make their own version and one can buy the performance for much less money.

 

[Ross K]

Not long ago, the Festool TS55 was unique, now 5 other well known manufacturers of good quality tools make their own version and one can buy the performance for much less money.

Pray tell more...

I assume that each will have long since been sued by Festool for copyright infringement?

 

[wizer]

Ross, Tony is talking about the tracksaws that DeWalt, Makita, etc have now brought out. The difference is, of course, that the 'waggle' technology that Festool used with the Domino is relatively unique and i'd guess they've patented it. I know nothing of patents, but I assume the time period before it expires will be much longer than 5yrs. That's not to say one of the other companies won't bring out something similar but different enough not to get sued. Time will tell. But Tony is bonkers if he thinks people should sit around and wait, just in case another company might possibly bring out a similar tool.

 

[Ross K]

But what he said was that other companies have made equivalents to the Domino. I'd not get far trying to make a piece of bespoke furniture with a tracksaw! :lol:

 

[Jake]

He started on Domino and then used the TS55 as an analogy.

A better analogy might be the original Festool tracksaw, rather than the TS55, which was a tweak on a theme.

 

[ondablade]

Coming in late here, but i bought a Domino in the past few weeks complete with all the accessories.

No user experience yet, but i could certainly have bought a very nice floor mounted chisel morticer for the same money. (and nearly did buy a Jet)

Seems to me it's a pays your money takes your pick sort of deal - how much use can you see for it right now, and is it worth the price to you. No doubt cheaper alternatives may come along, but that's not now.

The feedback i've seen has been universally positive, and in the meantime it seemed to me that it offered a level of convenience and flexibility that a conventional morticer does not. Plus (and i'm not a fan of Festool prices, but...) i figured i could trust the quality.

The only real negatives i can see are that the largest domino is a little small, and the depth of cut a little limited. So it's not a complete replacement for a decent mortiser. But then neither is a vertical mortiser. Wondering if it is possible to overlap slots using a DIY tenon for larger joints.

Rightly or wrongly i figured i'd get by on the bigger stuff with the Woodrat and/or a router based set up for the moment, and there's lots of ligjointsrger hter work where it'll pay for itself....

 

[frugal]

I was having a look at freepatentsonline.com to see if I could find any patents for the side to side drill thingy that the Domino uses, however after finding that "side to side drill thingy" is a rubbish search, I tried searching by assignee name. If you search for Festool related patentsthere are a number of interesting one, unfortunately they are mostly in German.

- A Cam locking removable domino - no doubt to be seen in systainer near you.

- the domino machine itself (in German)

- The domino mechanism itself (lots of details in German and English).

Interestingly Fig. 6 of the last link seems to show that the cutter head rotates from side to side to provide the lateral movement, but I can not see how that works as the sides must be kept parallel in order to keep a tight fit.

 

[wizer]

I guess they've taken that cam lock idea from Lamello's biscuit version. Seems like a good idea to me. Depends how much take up it gets.

 

[Steve Maskery]

Frugal
That sideways move is very fast, so effectively the sides are parallel, as the waggle is much faster than the plunge.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Boz62]

Interestingly Fig. 6 of the last link seems to show that the cutter head rotates from side to side to provide the lateral movement, but I can not see how that works as the sides must be kept parallel in order to keep a tight fit.

Thanks for finding the patents. Interesting. Don't forget that the cutter is fed into the hole at the same time as it is rotated from side to side. The tip is bullet shaped as well. This means that the path of the tip at the extremety of each sweep gives the parallel sides and the correct curvature in plan view

Boz

Edit: OK Steve, we crossed, you're more succinct than me

 

[frugal]

Good points. I should have remembered from watching it being demoed at Waka's.

I guess that it means that the bottom of the hole is an arc, a shallow arc, but an arc none the less. Probably does not cause any issues unless you are making domino holes almost the full depth of the timber.

 

[wizer]

Probably and advantage WRT glue squeeze out (or in).

 

[Steve Maskery]

The cutters are square-ground, not bullet-shaped. At least, mine are.

Yes the bottoms of the mortices are slightly scooped, so you mustn't get too close.

S