Domino or not domino

[Chems]

A table saw is defiantly coming very soon, the 10" sip, but one doesn't exclude the other an I actually get on really well with my little saw having done raised panels and many tenons on it so far. Also the £470 price tag is to good to miss!

Where is it being sold for £470?

I'll let you know if I manage to get it at that price. Thats the basic package.

 

[Ironballs]

Okay lads, perspective. Dibs it's only a tool, no one has offended your character or family!; Chems never yet used a table saw for cutting a tenon, I've used bandsaw and hand saw and will shortly be using the router table - though I may be using a tablesaw if I buy myself Steve's DVD for xmas.

I like the challenge and fit of a good M&T and as I have a couple of Arts & Crafts projects lined up with no set deadline I'll take the time and pleasure to create the joints and make them well

 

[Chems]

Even with a top notch table saw the domino is still going to be quicker. To do really good ones you need a dado set or a proper cast iron jig which is about £100.

 

[Ironballs]

True, it will be quicker, depends on your volume and what you get from your hobby as to whether you buy it. Assuming it is a hobby of course. For me I don't make enough pieces that would benefit from loose tenons to make it worthwhile

But obviously my 200 quid LN scraper plane is worth every penny :roll:

I know, I know................................. :lol:

 

[Chems]

For me I like to make things quickly, but I also like the traditional, I can do traditional when I want but when I want a quick job I'd like a domino.

 

[Dibs-h]

Okay lads, perspective. Dibs it's only a tool, no one has offended your character or family!; Chems never yet used a table saw for cutting a tenon, I've used bandsaw and hand saw and will shortly be using the router table - though I may be using a tablesaw if I buy myself Steve's DVD for xmas.

I like the challenge and fit of a good M&T and as I have a couple of Arts & Crafts projects lined up with no set deadline I'll take the time and pleasure to create the joints and make them well

Yeah I know what you mean - it's just the annoyance factor of another round trip of 60-90mins and maybe a "Oh! Sorry we don't have that one!"

I had some work planned for it this Sat evening and a bit on Sunday and it's just thrown that out of the window. If I was paying peanuts, I would have been happy with a monkey - but these things aren't peanuts. It isn't anything to do with the tool - just the sheer inconvenience it has caused.

I suppose been a bit spoiled what with awesome service from you know who!

I suppose some sleep and tomorrow on the roof - assuming it doesn't rain (completely) should deal with the "annoyance".

 

[Dibs-h]

A table saw is defiantly coming very soon, the 10" sip, but one doesn't exclude the other an I actually get on really well with my little saw having done raised panels and many tenons on it so far. Also the £470 price tag is to good to miss!

That has to be £470 plus vat - i.e. £540 (£29 less normal)?

 

[Mr Ed]

Even with a top notch table saw the domino is still going to be quicker. To do really good ones you need a dado set or a proper cast iron jig which is about £100.

Not sure about that Chems. I reckon the best tool is a carefully set bandsaw, having cut the shoulders on the tablesaw. I would see a dado as a fairly crude way of forming a tenon personally.

Ed

 

[chippy1970]

Dibs-h that must be a pretty crap Festool dealer you have, I have about 4 or 5 near me and most of them are good but a few do tend to do Festool as a sideline so only one guy in the shop knows about them and the others are a bit clueless.

 

[Steve Maskery]

Even with a top notch table saw the domino is still going to be quicker. To do really good ones you need a dado set or a proper cast iron jig which is about £100.

I can't let you get away with that Chems!

You definitely don't need a dado set, although, yes, it's handy, especially for angles tenons on the tablesaw.

A "proper", as you call it, cast iron jig is not at all a good solution. It's expensive, SLOOOOWWW and unguarded, and generally only does one job. A well-designed homemade jig like mine is every bit as accurate, much FASTER (because you only have to clamp each workpiece once instead of twice) and versatile. I cut twin tenons and spline joints on mine. Mine is also much easier to set up, as the fit of the tenon is guaranteed RFTET and the position of it within the workpiece is finely adjustable with just one test cut required. Adjusting this doesn't affect the fit.

I see you are in Northampton. Why don't you pop up the M1 and come and have a look? You'd be most welcome. I'm off now for a couple of days, but I am around most of the time.

If you put mine and a Delta next to each other, you'd be nuts to choose the latter!

I also agree that the bandsaw is a good way, especially for very large tenons such as on the ends of a bed rail.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Chems]

Even with a top notch table saw the domino is still going to be quicker. To do really good ones you need a dado set or a proper cast iron jig which is about £100.

Not sure about that Chems. I reckon the best tool is a carefully set bandsaw, having cut the shoulders on the tablesaw. I would see a dado as a fairly crude way of forming a tenon personally.

Ed

I couldn't comment on either as I've only ever seen Norm an the like do the tenons with the dado an it looked great. Haven't got a bandsaw so can't comment on that either.


Thats £470 all done.

 

[miles_hot]

Even with a top notch table saw the domino is still going to be quicker. To do really good ones you need a dado set or a proper cast iron jig which is about £100.

I can't let you get away with that Chems!

You definitely don't need a dado set, although, yes, it's handy, especially for angles tenons on the tablesaw.

A "proper", as you call it, cast iron jig is not at all a good solution. It's expensive, SLOOOOWWW and unguarded, and generally only does one job. A well-designed homemade jig like mine is every bit as accurate, much FASTER (because you only have to clamp each workpiece once instead of twice) and versatile. I cut twin tenons and spline joints on mine. Mine is also much easier to set up, as the fit of the tenon is guaranteed RFTET and the position of it within the workpiece is finely adjustable with just one test cut required. Adjusting this doesn't affect the fit.

I see you are in Northampton. Why don't you pop up the M1 and come and have a look? You'd be most welcome. I'm off now for a couple of days, but I am around most of the time.

If you put mine and a Delta next to each other, you'd be nuts to choose the latter!

I also agree that the bandsaw is a good way, especially for very large tenons such as on the ends of a bed rail.

Cheers
Steve

Any pics/ further explanation??

Many thanks

Miles

 

[Steve Maskery]

Hi Miles
I have to be careful about how much I say, as this is one of my commercial activities. That's why the reference to my site is in my signature rather than in the body of my posts. However, as a direct response to your specific question, you might like to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXftwASnK8
I've recently made a modification to it which makes it even slicker than the video shows.

Money-back guarantee and all that stuff! No-one has yet taken me up on it.

No I really am off for a couple of days. See you all Tuesday.
S

 

[Dibs-h]

Dibs-h that must be a pretty crap Festool dealer you have, I have about 4 or 5 near me and most of them are good but a few do tend to do Festool as a sideline so only one guy in the shop knows about them and the others are a bit clueless.

It's in a neighbouring town and having worked in that town for some years - (the outsiders") we used to call it xxxxxxdale, bloomin weird at times and that goes for the folk there as well. :wink: Bit like the weird folk and town in the Prisoner (well not quite as bad - but hopefully you get my point).

Just put it down to that. The weird thing is my local dealer - the guy who used to do Festool is no longer there and someone else does it. None in stock. Now there isn't a promotion on them - so I don't see any reason why one should not be able to walk into a Festool dealer, pay and walk out with a Domino. If they don't have any stock WTF is that about?

To be honest I think it's more widespread than I may have expected - i.e. crap service and monkeys (i.e. getting paid peanuts) on service counters.

Just rung them - closed, so will have to swing by in the morning. Just hope it gets sorted.

£470 all in - wow. Can't see it myself as that is almost the ex vat price. But if it comes off - =D>

 

[Chems]

Thats a very kind offer steve. I may have to take you up on it one day. I notice that you have both a good way of cutting tenons and a domino so your a man after my own heart. I'd love a domino for those qucik jobs but when doing things I consider "fine furniture" I'd still like to do a proper M+T. When I get my table saw upgrade I will have to do some investigation into how I will cut my tenons. Currently I use a cross cut sled and nibble away bit by bit which works ok normally but is slow and can often leave a rough finish that requires a lot of work to smooth out.

 

[sometimewoodworker]

Just rung them - closed, so will have to swing by in the morning. Just hope it gets sorted.

I hope things get sorted for you.

I have a comment on the rails. I have 2 sets of connectors and the Guide rail FS 1080/2-LR32 one FS 1400 and 2 FS 800s. In retrospect I should have got 1x800 1x1080-LR32 and a 2424-LR32 or a 3000or 2700.

The consensus on the FOG is that for most people getting more than one rail the same size is not such a good idea.

I make these comments now as you may want to reconsider the choice of 2 1400s

 

[petermillard]

The consensus on the FOG is that for most people getting more than one rail the same size is not such a good idea.
I make these comments now as you may want to reconsider the choice of 2 1400s

I understand where you're coming from, but two 1400s work pretty well for ripping a full 8x4 sheet (a 1400 and a 1080 joined wouldn't quite do the job, and a 1400 and 1900 would be way too long) especially as most of us end up with one 1400 rail as part of the 'bundle'.

Having a 2.7 or 3.0m rail is a nice idea, but it's a long piece of metal that you have to store flat or vertically somewhere; fine if you have the space, but not everyone does.

Cheers, Pete.

 

[Dibs-h]

The consensus on the FOG is that for most people getting more than one rail the same size is not such a good idea.
I make these comments now as you may want to reconsider the choice of 2 1400s

I understand where you're coming from, but two 1400s work pretty well for ripping a full 8x4 sheet (a 1400 and a 1080 joined wouldn't quite do the job, and a 1400 and 1900 would be way too long) especially as most of us end up with one 1400 rail as part of the 'bundle'.

Having a 2.7 or 3.0m rail is a nice idea, but it's a long piece of metal that you have to store flat or vertically somewhere; fine if you have the space, but not everyone does.

Cheers, Pete.

Just been - got the "Oh! Don't know how that could have happened!" I decided to say as little as possible - i.e. successfully fought the urge to say "You picked up the wrong box perhaps?".

They didn't have a QF-Set, so just supplied a trim stop and cross stop.

THe best I got was "Sorry 'bout that." I felt I had to say something - So just replied with a "Yes, I'll bear that in mind when looking to make further purchases. Thanks for the experience!" Walked out the door. Not before having the chap confirm expilicitly that the machine purchased is under the 1+2 warrantly.

Jerome - the 2x1400 rails where bought specificly to cut down 8'x4' sheet stock. a 3m is just too much headache and a 1400 and 1080 wouldn't do a 8'x4' sheet.

I also wanted to use ideally as few connectors as possible.

 

[houtslager]

Just a quick comment on the rails, if you think you are gooing to cut a LOT of sheet materials up, then I really do approve of the following combos -
1 x 3m ; 1 x 1.4m + 600mm ; 1.4m on its own and finally 1 x 600mm

Ok you don't need this ALL at ONE GO, and can be gotten over a period of time to suit [like moi ]

hth,

hs

 

[Chems]

Just to rub it in a little. I'm set to get my Domino for Christmas for £456 for the basic domino. Will probably get the Trim thing and the cutters at a later date. They are also now doing an 11mm cutter now. I'll probably buy cutters as an when to spread the cost.