Do you find your fridge or freezer highly complicated? Essentially the same technology as a heat pump. Much simpler than a typical modern gas boiler.
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Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Maybe so but what I've seen so far it's the whole set-up which looks somewhat vulnerable, if not the machine itself. And it depends on the grid.
Fridges seem to work fine for 10 to 15 years but would a heat-pump set-up be so trouble free?
Jacob
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CO2 neutral via carbon cycle. Smoke pollution less severe in low housing density areas. I wonder if there are design or operational improvements which can be made for wood and waste burning? Low tech solutions tend to get overlooked.
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selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
So that just leaves the smoke pollution then.
RobinBHM
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life expectancy around say 1910 was only 51
lung cancer is a disease that most affects people over 60
Terry - Somerset
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Every man (or woman) for themselves. Survival of the fittest where fittest equals "man with woodstove".
Would you share it unreservedly, or harbour your stock of wood so it lasts as long as possible?
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
As a normal member of the human race (I think!) I would share it, and the heat from my stove, but with some little reservations if necessary.
I can see it would be a problem for a tory, having to work out how to exploit the situation for his own advantage in a time of need and hence competitive opportunity.
Given time, self interest might lead him to the "enlightened" self interest of becoming a "socialist" i.e. a "social" being, a normal member of human "society".
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
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Phil Pascoe
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No problem at all for St. Jacob, of course.
Blackswanwood
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I assume you’d make anyone who sharpens with a Waterstone to stay outside in the cold though?
Average life expectancy. What was the infant mortality at the time?
Smoking for 25 years raises you chances of contracting lung cancer by 25 times, that's apart from all the other cancers and illnesses it's linked to.
Most people start in their late teens.
I don't like those odds of being over or under 60 myself.
The Chinese lead the world in making stuff, and collecting the hard currency that brings them.
If we (or rather our illustrious leaders) thought that having a yellow plastic toy duck each would make things greener (our leaders probably do think that) then the Chinese would supply us with more yellow plastic toy ducks.
The irony being the intermittent nature of fossil fuels being a single cycle that is nearing its night time phase.
Pack in a few migrants the extra body heat will reduce the need for burning wood
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
No of course not but I'd ask them to leave their waterstones outside.I assume you’d make anyone who sharpens with a Waterstone to stay outside in the cold though?
Krome10
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Meanwhile, thousands across the country leave their heating on and jump into their cars to go watch huge bonfires billow smoke into the night sky, sneaking in a burger or hot dog to boot...
RobinBHM
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this graph shows a 5 year old had a life expectancy of around 60 in 1910
so my point stands
I dont see how your historic data is of much use in regards to evidence of wood burning stoves particulates
RobinBHM
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one night in the year mind....
Terry - Somerset
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In the link attached the 6 boys were students at a boarding school - one assumes the offspring of (at least) well to do parents being privately educated.
In generally well ordered societies social interaction is based upon mutual benefit - it makes absolute sense to cooperate to improve circumstances for all parties.
Arguing that for a Tory the motivation for cooperation is self interest, and for a socialist the well being of society is grossly simplistic.
Tories are not so insensitive to the circumstances of others that self interest dominates absolutely, nor socialists so concerned for society they attach no value to personal rights and possessions.
Most Tories are firm supporters of the NHS, a decent state education system, support for those genuinely less fortunate, etc. A Tory government for 32 of the last 45 years could have dismantled public services long ago - reality - public spending has increased.
So why do you assume that it would be a problem for a Tory.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Exactly. This was Golding's own experience too. He thought it was normal! He was wrong - people don't behave like public school boys on the whole, but they do seem to find their way into politics, finance, law, unfortunately.
Yep. It's known as "socialism".
Unfortunately it is exactly the case, or almost: self interest on both sides but "enlightened" from the left, with the realisation that close cooperation and support is good for all.
Some tories, not all. It used to be called "caring conservatism" and we had the post war consensus. Both notions binned by Thatcher.
No - you are thinking of hermits etc - those who renounce a secular way of life. They do exist, but not in huge numbers.
They were fiercely opposed to its inception
as long as they can have a superior private system. Anyway they need a skilled and educated workforce.
But they measure the "genuine" to be in very small numbers.
They have been doing! Surely you know this?
It has to. there is no alternative in the modern world.
Mainly because of the hysterical reaction they have to taxation itself, to welfare and public services in general.
The notion seems to be that ruthless self-interest - the un regulated "free" market etc, will somehow benefit us all, via the infantile "trickle down theory" popularised by Thatcher and Reagan.
These threads in this forum show all this very well.
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