That will upset a few chefs, gas hobs and electric ovens seems to be the norm.
Another Ban on the way?
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HOJ
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Were getting one with an alleged capacity of 114MW: https://www.edf-re.uk/our-sites/norwich/
selectortone
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There are battery storage facilities around the world with capacities of hundreds of megawatt hours. Even larger ones of gigawatt hour size are under construction.
Someone really needs to drag you kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
Jacob
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Terry - Somerset
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Gas is about 25% the cost of electric.
So at the moment, on a warmish November evening, we're running at around 35gW total load in the UK.
Energy storage is apparently set to be 30,000mW in this country by 2030.
Unless I'm much mistaken, that's 30gW.
So about an hour's storage.
That's before having more electric loads from all electric houses, and EVs.
So in the worst case scenario, we have a freezing cold Winter evening, with no wind, and obviously no sun. A bigger load.
I do hope those nasty dirty gas turbines will keep up with the load.
Phil Pascoe
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Gas ovens dry food out, that's why they're uncommon in commercial kitchens.
just had my dinner , roast lamb etc - cooked to perfection, slightly pink and rested for 20 mins ( the excess liquid ) went into the homemade gravy .. gas or electric oven has little bearing on the quality of the cooking. It’s all down to the cook ( imho) . Top chef’s add a tray of water or wine to add even more moisture into the oven . As for gas running out I heard that for the 30 + years I worked for b gas . Well before natural gas we all used town gas untill the conversion in the late 60,s early 70,s . At this time there was the gas company and the electric company who both held the monopoly. Nowadays you get gas and electric from the same supplier, and in years to come you will buy a fuel to heat your home and clean air to breathe. Either way it will be via private companies where the only ones to lose out will be the ordinary people who will not have an alternative if they happen to be on a low income..
MikeB1972
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Yes, electric oven, gas hob - best way to cook.
Electric over for precise temperature control and gas hob for instant adjustment.
Went round Cruachan last year - very impressive. We need a lot more of them...
ey_tony
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It's the best combination.
We use a microwave/combi oven for economy. Yesterday I cooked home made sausage rolls and a Lancashire Hotpot using the combi, in fact we only use the main electric oven when we have guests or need to cook a full roast dinner. Yorkshire puddings come out perfect using the combi.
For extra economy we use a pressure cooker for most vegetables which means we can have such as carrots/swede and or potatoes cooked and ready to mash in 5.5 minutes cooking time which even allowing for the steamer to get up to temperature, it represents a 50% energy saving.
Regular built n electric ovens take 10-15 minutes to get up to full working temperature. With the combi oven it can be reached in 4-5 minutes so while the regular oven is still warming up, whatever you're cooking is already cooking with the combi.
We're certainly not ultra-precious about saving energy but we have a reasonably efficient regime when it comes to using the energy supply economically. We try to cook once and eat twice where possible which is often cheaper if buying slightly larger quantities which saves both time and 'energy' so it all reduces costs.
flying haggis
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Why bother with a pressure cooker for spuds if you have a microwave? We haven't cooked spuds any other way than in the microwave for thirty plus years!
Pound of spuds 6 minutes.
Pound of spuds 6 minutes.
ey_tony
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Perhaps so but we also cook other veg like swede & carrots at the same time as the potatoes and then briefly cook greens like sprouts, green beans, cabbage, broccoli etc so for us a pressure cooker works best.
Actually it is- pumped hydro is being used in several states here in Australia already, and with more coming online every year...
The Tesla 'mega batteries' (actually there are several different manufacturers around) are in the hundred plus megawatt range (150MW output capacity, 200MWh of storage at the rather famous Hornsdale facility in South Australia) but are more suited for 'spike leveling' for pumped stored hydro systems (which take several seconds to 'spool up' when demand increases)
The Snowy 2 is likely to be completed now in 2026, and here in Qld there's already several in use (including one using an old open pit gold mine as the storage in north Qld!!!)- although the change in state government here is likely to turn renewables off for the next four years
(The bloody Libs got in- it took a decade of Labor to fix up the mess they left the state in last time- and the bloody silly person Queenslanders went and voted them back in again...)- the braindead moron that is the new deputy premier just labelled renewables a 'Labor hoax' and just killed the new pumped hydro storage facility dead in its tracks (literally the very first thing he did as deputy prem...)Wood burning fires/stoves have been on the increase for a while. So it's news when somebody has the balls to stand up and tell it like it is.
In my youth, coal fires where the norm but as the years went by the smog and soot became less toleralble so 'smokeless' zones appeared. At about the same time, gas boilers begain to emerge to replace the old coal fired-back boilers and so the air quality began to improve. Electric heating, too, made an appearance along with off peak tariffs.
So, here we go again, sucking up the attractiveness of the log-burning stoves and failing to see the down sides. The smoke, the polution and the use of any wood that'll burn irrespective of whether it's stained, painted or treated, just so long as it's 'free'.
I would welcome a ban, if only to be able to enjoy my garden without the stink and the smoke.
Your wife should try an induction hob. It is, without dounbt, more responsive and less wasteful than either gas or ceramic with elements, as the energy produced only heats the pans, which heats the food, and not the surroundings.Funnily enough I’ve recently been exposed to similar reports but not on the same subject. We had a short break away a few weeks ago and the Mrs was blown away with how amazingly responsive and controllable the gas hob was where we stayed having many times berated the sub standard ceramic hob fitted at home. We’ve had gas before but it was quite a while back and there’s also an issue with reinstating it at our current property so we started researching possible alternatives that would keep her happy. Turns out , according to media , that gas hobs are killing us all silently with their increased levels of pollutants in the household!!!
Of course the cynic in me suspects that our ‘tech’ has maybe been influenced by discreetly deposited cookies and has subsequently attracted attention from the far out sales wing of applicable appliances.. long story short, she’s very happy with her new induction hob
Which is why all the clever Africans migrated north when they got the chance.
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