Adze bargain?

[peterw3035]

I've been wanting a small adze for sometime and there are some fantastic quality adzes available. But quite rightly quality comes at a price.
With a regular Ebay search there were various options costing several hundred pounds. Then a mis-descrbed item came up, £30 buy-it-now and its now this adze is mine.
It's a real bargain but who are ROVT? Google hasn't helped but maybe somewhere here might know?

 

[Tris]

Here it is, and quite a bargain you have there
https://rovtarforge.com/hand-forged-tools/hand-forged-bowl-adze/

 

[peterw3035]

That's spot on, thanks Tris.
£30 for €140 item is just fine by me.
Can't wait to give it a try.

 

[AndrewG]

Sold on eBay, mis-described and on a short auction or low 'buy it now' price. As discussed many times on this site, the overwhelmingly most likely explanation that it was stolen.

Whilst we all understand the thrill of getting a bargain, I hope you think each time you use it of it's original owner, who paid full price, cared and appreciated it till they had it taken. Also of the small toolmaker who created this lovely tool for our community, that you chose not to support. Rather you put your (all be it discounted) support behind the people who prey on us tool lovers and cause such distress.

Places like this is where we show community. I'm sorry if this feels harsh as you clearly did not intend harm to the rest of us. But I see your joy at getting a tool for a quarter of it's value as siding with the people stealing them.

 

[squib]

What a disgusting reply!
To hope that a person who bought something in good face feels penitent in some way....
You actually have no way of knowing it was stolen, it may have been from a deceased sale or emigration.
No body asked your opinion on who you see this gentleman siding with, getting a little close to libel.
A very nice adze and I hope it serves you well.

 

[benhen31]

Sold on eBay, mis-described and on a short auction or low 'buy it now' price. As discussed many times on this site, the overwhelmingly most likely explanation that it was stolen.

Whilst we all understand the thrill of getting a bargain, I hope you think each time you use it of it's original owner, who paid full price, cared and appreciated it till they had it taken. Also of the small toolmaker who created this lovely tool for our community, that you chose not to support. Rather you put your (all be it discounted) support behind the people who prey on us tool lovers and cause such distress.

Places like this is where we show community. I'm sorry if this feels harsh as you clearly did not intend harm to the rest of us. But I see your joy at getting a tool for a quarter of it's value as siding with the people stealing them.

Bit of an assumption to say that any mis described tool is stolen. Could have been handed down to someone with less knowledge than the original purchaser. Could be the person who owned it also bought it second hand and doesn't know the correct term for it. Could be someone selling it on behalf of another. I have several tools that I don't know the proper names of!

A low price doesn't mean stolen. If the seller bought it second hand themselves and paid £40 for it then a few years use and selling it on for £30 is pretty reasonable. I recently bought a very cheap item for my motorbike which was not stolen, simply being sold by someone who's not into motorbikes clearing out their garage and therefor didn't know/care what the item actually was or is worth. People often just want rid.

You seem to be saying buying anything second hand is hurting the original maker of the item, which is odd. They got paid when they sold it originally. What happens after that doesn't impact upon them. Buying a second hand tool is not 'choosing not to support' the original maker.

 

[Fitzroy]

I felt similar to @squib when I saw @AndrewG post but then I paused and thought how would I feel if I woke one day and found my workshop broken into and my tools being sold off cheap on GumTree or eBay. I would be raging at the theft and raging at the people buying who 'must' realise they are buying stolen items.

The crime is however with the original thief and I don't think it fair to expect people to avoid bargains unless they can prove provenance, the tool will never be returned to its owner whether you buy it or not. If my tools were stolen I'd want them being used by a fellow woodworker not sat in the drawer of some bloke in the pub who thought they may use it one day. I have however never had a break-in (touch wood) so can't appreciate the pain it would bring nor how long it would be a raw wound.

@peterw3035 it's a lovely looking tool, put it to work and honor the maker and former owners who likely enjoyed it as much as you did, whatever the circumstance of it being sold!

 

[Tris]

Sold on eBay, mis-described and on a short auction or low 'buy it now' price. As discussed many times on this site, the overwhelmingly most likely explanation that it was stolen.

Whilst we all understand the thrill of getting a bargain, I hope you think each time you use it of it's original owner, who paid full price, cared and appreciated it till they had it taken. Also of the small toolmaker who created this lovely tool for our community, that you chose not to support. Rather you put your (all be it discounted) support behind the people who prey on us tool lovers and cause such distress.

Places like this is where we show community. I'm sorry if this feels harsh as you clearly did not intend harm to the rest of us. But I see your joy at getting a tool for a quarter of it's value as siding with the people stealing them.

Wow, that's quite a leap.

Its a fairly uncommon brand in the UK, and if you start with a Google lens search it will give you many items that are at a similar price point to the OPs bargain.

If you have lost tools to a thieving low-life then you have my sympathy, but an ad hominem attack on someone asking a reasonable question is unfounded. Would your response have been the same if it turned out to be £15 new?

 

[AndrewG]

Ok First I want to apologize wholeheartedly to Peter. You did not deserve what I wrote. I wanted to make a point but rereading it, I did make it too personal and emotive. I'm sorry. I would have deleted it and apologised directly but as others have quoted it, it must remain but I wish it didn't

Also to Fitzroy. Thank you for seeing both of us. The forum needs people like you and I will try in future to be more like you when I post.

Clearly over a year on from my burglary, I am not as over it as I thought and still feel there are issues that our community should face. However Peter is an innocent bystander so I will start a separate post, and reflect before pressing publish.

 

[Jake]

Fencing on Ebay is a concern to keep an eye out for, but you'd have to boycott it to completely avoid all risk and miss out on the many legit sales. I don't think low prices or misdescriptions give any insight into provenance - surely fences want to maximise returns too?

 

[TRITON]

Now you've bought it, can we have a link to the seller ?.