Wizer poll?

[Ironballs]

Maybe you could turn one of those truncheon things again, or perhaps a large cock you could post to the hospital.

On second thoughts, best save that until after the op. You don't want to offend the surgeon who's going to be elbows deep in your spine

 

[head clansman]

hi tom

I'm so sorry mate, I really do feel for you, that the state of NHS today unfortunately , I know it's happen to me & i was self employed at the time was doing quite well at the time but over a two yr period in & out of hospital like a yo yo some eight times before they got my kidneys under control, after many time in hospital and recovery time after they experimented with different drugs, over that time it ruined my business I just could not recover from it.

it seem today the only way to bypass the system is to become an emergency to get yourself admitted , a sad situation , you must feal gutted , i know i did the many time s they sent me home with out doing anything only giving me pain killer , hope you get an other date soon . chin up tom .hc

 

[Pip]

Sorry to here it Tom, happening quite a lot lately,
hope your next date comes soon
pip

 

[TobyB]

It happens sadly all too often around here - planned stuff can easily get knocked by the unplannable onslaught of emergencies ... road crashes, tumours and the like have no respect for waiting lists.

Hope they find you a slot in the next few days, after psyching yourself up ...

 

[WellsWood]

Oh mate I really can't believe they did that to you, again!

Still, on the bright side, at least you've got plenty to read while you wait for the letter.

Chin up.

 

[wizer]

I'm still laughing about 'Lathe the crap out of something' !! :lol:

Waiting for 9pm to insert a flea in someone's ear

 

[WellsWood]

Waiting for 9pm to insert a flea in someone's ear

GO FOR IT! ... but sadly I don't think it will get you anywhere

 

[wizer]

Correct. However, no flea was needed really. It's re-booked for the 25th with a very slim possibility of a cancellation. Mustn't grumble at that (honest).

If any one is taking a book, I'll have a tenner against.

...off to lathe the crap out of something.

 

[richburrow]

Sorry to hear things are not going right.
I hope your turning time cheered you up some

 

[Steve Maskery]

I'm late to the thread, Tom, but I wish you all the very best.
Steve

 

[Ironballs]

Glad to see you're still chuckling at that one. I'd like to see what an angry lathe-ing looks like

 

[wizer]

Actually I didn't lathe the crap out of anything today. I continued with some shelves I've been making. I got to the finishing stage so pics should follow by Christmas

 

[NeilO]

Sorry to hear your Op was cancelled, Tom..
And I know how much your were looking forward to it (for all the best reasons).

seems an operation by the NHS is just that these days....NO HOPE, SERIOUSLY.


Hope you get another date soon..

 

[RogerS]

.....

seems an operation by the NHS is just that these days....NO HOPE, SERIOUSLY.

......

I think that that comment is a tad unfair given the sheer size, scale and scope of the NHS and the weight of duffgov enforced box-ticking.

 

[wizer]

I'm not suggesting I have a solution. But the process is deeply flawed. I do understand that, probably, sicker people than me were occupying 'my' bed. But there's also no concern for someone like me who could quite easily loose his job or living over something like this. The cost to the state for that must be huge. I'm quite sure that there were private bed available yesterday.

 

[NeilO]

Roger, A tad unfair I grant you..but I think you summed up the problem with the NHS with

the weight of duffgov enforced box-ticking.

let the doctors and nurses get on with the job they were trained to do and hogwash to predetermined targets, the sick will be sick as long as they need to be.

my apologies to the doctors , nurses and auxillary staff that make up the REAL NHS who may have been offended by my post.

 

[Smudger]

An interesting point.

But how do you run a modern national system with no central organisation or planning? No budgetary control? How do you establish which drugs are most effective/most cost-effective? How do you ensure the proper numbers of trained doctors and nurses?

It's easy to rail against systems, but not so easy to imagine alternatives.

 

[RogerS]

An interesting point.

But how do you run a modern national system with no central organisation or planning? No budgetary control? How do you establish which drugs are most effective/most cost-effective? How do you ensure the proper numbers of trained doctors and nurses?

It's easy to rail against systems, but not so easy to imagine alternatives.

I agree that there has to be some sort of measure and targets but my view is that after 12 years of duffgov that the balance between resources for clinical care and resources for box-ticking management is way out of whack. No sooner has the dust settled on one set of 'initiatives aka more box ticking' then minister x gets replaced by minister y who has their own agenda and so yet another 'initiative' is foisted on an already overworked and overstretched NHS and another layer of management gets built. Same goes for teaching but perhaps we'd better not go there :wink:

Let me give you a case in point re the NHS. Take a peek at this page http://www.nhs.uk/Scorecard/Pages/R...riginalLookupType=1&Filters=&TopLevelFilters= and then start drilling down and down and down. And to what end? Take Rowan. Overall rating is 'weak' but hey, wait a minute, let's take the time and trouble to drill down a bit further and what, out of the 2000 or so parameters (OK ..I exaggerate) are they weak on? Financial management. Big deal. I'd go for excellence in the clinical side any day which is what they scored.

 

[wizer]

I think one area I'd like to see improved is the priority of patients. Someone (GP?) should be able to state a case for a patience urgency. As it happens my employers have been very good with me over the last 4yrs as my conditioned as worsened. But I hear from a lot of people who say they'd have been unemployed by now if in similar circumstances. How is it logical to let a young man with a young family loose his career over, say, a retired woman needing a new hip/knee etc? Now I'm not saying those people aren't also desperate for surgery. But if I was to loose my job, I'd probably have to go on benefits until I did get the op. Not only would that be devastating for us as a family (loose our house, etc) but the cost to the state must be huge (benefits, housing, etc). The retired person who needs the new hip isn't really loosing anything but some quality of life, which of course I completely sympathise with, but surely it's common sense to get the younger person sorted and back to work? I'm in no way suggesting someone who need a heart transplant wait for me to get my back fixed. I'm talking about non-life threatening conditions. My GP is from Germany and apparently this is exactly how their priority system works (queue anti-germanic jokes).