Well the saw was sold on huuto.net where I found it so someone bought it for 28e+shipping. Lucky me I asked around before buying. I did buy the Veritas saw last night after much going back and forth. So I have a tenon saw, I alos have two modern panel saws I just sorta stumbled into (workers who built the house left behind one, another I got for 6 euros new, and one smaller panel saw with wood grips I got from a 2nd hand store for 2 bucks, want to see if I can sharpen it). I'll see about the Sandvik saws, good to have a brand to look for.