Waterstones or paper?

[jimi43]

I have now concluded that I hate the smell of Honing Oil...in a tin...from those people who make famous stains...

It STINKS!

Mind you...it works well on a Watchiticamacallit stone.... :mrgreen:

Jim

 

[jordec66]

Blimey Mike , looks like you've got every conceivable sharpening gadget going. Don't suppose I could
just drop my chisels , planes etc off at your house!

 

[Mike Wingate]

I also have an Eclipse honing guide. Still in use after over 40 years. Either the bearing has got sloppy or my memory fails, but I can get a curved plane blade profile with it. Over the years I thought I had a sharp edge on tools, but the new ceramic stone is terrific. Hollow grind, flat back and what a cutting edge. My plane blades can slice 80gm printer paper just like a really sharp knife blade.

 

[jimi43]

Please please please let us not get into the sharpness debate... :mrgreen:

I have just been reading through the razor forum where they use microscopes to examine the edge to prove mine is sharper than yours debates.... #-o

I love the whoooosh of an infill in the morning but really....there are limits! :mrgreen:

Jim

 

[Mike Wingate]

I just like having sharp tools that cut. I use many "exotic" timbers with high silica deposits that need a sharp strong edge to get the edges and finish I require. Planing ebony is best with my Japanese laminated blade. I was planing a 2 piece ash body blank yesterday to join. It went well. I used the same blade today to level and finish the glued blank flat and smooth. Effortless and quite a few shavings on the floor.

 

[woodbloke]

I also have an Eclipse honing guide. Still in use after over 40 years. Either the bearing has got sloppy or my memory fails, but I can get a curved plane blade profile with it. Over the years I thought I had a sharp edge on tools, but the new ceramic stone is terrific. Hollow grind, flat back and what a cutting edge. My plane blades can slice 80gm printer paper just like a really sharp knife blade.

I agree with Jimi that the 'who's go the sharpest blade' debate is pointless, but I moved away from a 10000g ceramic Spyderco a coupla years ago onto the finest 3M films, which in my view are much superior for my honing method.

80gm paper?..that's thick, cardboardy stuff. If your blade will slice easily and cleanly through the flimsiest, thinest paper that you can get hold of I reckon that's a far better test...only my opinion of course - Rob

 

[matthewwh]

You trying to press Jim's buttons Rob????

 

[woodbloke]

You trying to press Jim's buttons Rob????

Who...moi? Surely not :lol: :lol: - Rob

 

[jimi43]

Having picked up my EIGHTH hone at the bootfair this morning....I think I am going to stay well out of this debate...

I am getting really worried now as I find myself stroking strange rocks.....but the latest...a fine soft Yellow Lake Welsh hone...is so smooth and gorgeous and tactile and.....

HEEEEELLLLPPP!!! #-o

Jim

 

[Jacob]

I have now concluded that I hate the smell of Honing Oil...in a tin...from those people who make famous stains...

It STINKS!

Mind you...it works well on a Watchiticamacallit stone.... :mrgreen:

Jim

What's wrong with 3in1 ?
I also use a neat 2" long rare-earth magnet to lift the swarf from the oil. Saves on oil usage.
And a lot of old rags to keep things (and me) clean and oil free.
And a Diapad diamond block to freshen the surface every now and then. Occasional freshening is absolutely essential, but just a quick pass will do it. Not cheap but they last forever and you can use them on glass. stone etc (which is why I bought them in the first place).
I'm not into stone flattening, I want cambered blades. Anyway life is too short as it is!

 

[matthewwh]

What's wrong with 3in1 ?

You should run the MOD Jacob - 'nowt wrong wi' Lancasters lads, good enough fer 'itler, good enough fer't Libyans eh...!!!'

I'll stick a sample of Honerite No1 in the post to you.

 

[Jacob]

What's wrong with 3in1 ?

You should run the MOD Jacob - 'nowt wrong wi' Lancasters lads, good enough fer 'itler, good enough fer't Libyans eh...!!!'

I'll stick a sample of Honerite No1 in the post to you.

OK ta!

It's about 5 times the price of 3in1 so it must be 5 times as good obviously. :shock:

 

[matthewwh]

Only 5 times!

 

[Jacob]

Quick dabble with the calculator shows that a 70cl bottle of GLENLIVET £ 39.56 (18 Year Old Mature, honey-rich, velvet! A colour of golden amber and a rich nose with sweet and floral layers. The taste is honey) is cheaper by volume,
What does Honerite No1 taste like, and how old is it?

 

[matthewwh]

Yebbut (my turn) 5 drops of glenlivet is going to have no effect on anything in its intended application, although I've never honed with it - it may be very good. Either way, if a dribble of Honerite #1 will envigorate an oilstone that may be millions of years old (I believe Charnley Forest has been associated with the transition of life from plant to animal!!!!) it makes 18 years seem a bit recent.

Having said that, if you want to send 125ml of 18yr old Glenlivet in return, I would be delighted to share my considered opinion of it.

 

[jimi43]

What does Honerite No1 taste like, and how old is it?

Well here's one guy that ain't ever gonna know...the smell is enough to put off an alcoholic tramp on the wagon for six months!

Do they make one that smells like Camelia Oil and hones like Marlene Dietrich, Matthew?

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Jim

p.s.

HEY! I just started writing the "Sharpening Song"

(hum the obvious tune....)

Oh...it hones like Marlene Dietrich
But it smells like Giggi the Peach
Its atoms are all hydrocarbons....
But it keeps the swarf out yer pores...
So it does...

So what do you hone with my matey....
When your alone in your shed...
What do you wipe on yer Norton...
Do just you use sump oil instead...
As Jacobs says.........

(to be continued....)
(Or maybe not!)

 

[jimi43]

Don'tcha just love auto censors!

Totally destroy the artistic bent!

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Peach indeed!!!! :roll:

Jim

 

[matthewwh]

Do they make one that smells like Camelia Oil and hones like Marlene Dietrich, Matthew?

I'm getting floral, effervescant with strong vanilla overtones and a base of dirty masculine sharpened steel. Whether the pfsssht of mouthwateringly sharp O1 slicing through endgrain sounds like Marlene Dietrich, I wouldn't know - she might be a bit past her best but I'm sure a dab of Honerite#1 would bring her back to her prime!

 

[bugbear]

I also have an Eclipse honing guide. Still in use after over 40 years. Either the bearing has got sloppy or my memory fails, but I can get a curved plane blade profile with it.

Of course - the bearing is far too narrow to stop you (which is a Good Thing, just to be clear). I have an old Marples honing guide where the roller is not only narrow, but cambered!

BugBear

 

[Jacob]

What's wrong with 3in1 ?

You should run the MOD Jacob - 'nowt wrong wi' Lancasters lads, good enough fer 'itler, good enough fer't Libyans eh...!!!'

I'll stick a sample of Honerite No1 in the post to you.

OK ta!

It's about 5 times the price of 3in1 so it must be 5 times as good obviously. :shock:

Sample arrived, thanks Matthew.

Does it work?
Yes.
But then so does virtually any fluid. Name your fluid. Brown Ale?

Does it work any differently from 3in1?
Yes.
It's thinner. It works like virtually any thinner fluid would. WD40 frinstance.

Will it unclog a surface particularly?
Probably a bit. Hard to say. Very similar to WD40.
Better than 3in1 would as it is thinner and has a solvent base of some sort, like WD40.
White spirit would probably do it even better. Or mix your own, 3in1 + white spirit and a slice?

Will it protect surfaces from rust? Bound to - it says so on the tin. So will 3in1, WD40 etc. etc. If it's a serious issue I'd go for raw linseed oil thinned with turps (or turps subs, any solvent really) but not for honing.

Any distinguishing characteristics?
Unfamiliar vaguely interesting smell and colour, but probably a clever marketing thing - you just wouldn't bother if it looked, smelled and tasted the same as WD40.
Nice tin.

Would I buy it?
Can't see why.

PS just checked the price of WD40 - its even cheaper than 3in1 (by the gallon £25 ish).
I'll do that when I've run out of 3in1 (next year some time).


Summary.
Does just what it says on the tin (like most things in tins) but very much pricier than the alternatives.