US Election November 5th

[Sachakins]

I think I now understand Musk's involvement. 60% tariff on China is gonna make Tesla vehicles far more attractive than the Chinese opposition to USA consumers.

But you miss the point that the manufacturing for export in China is massively subsidised by their government.
So the import subsidies just mitigate the subsidy at source.
Without the hidden subsidy at source, these vehicles would not be so cheap in the showrooms.

 

[Ed Weber]

However reading the rest of your comments in essence, you clearly WANT Trump and his policies to fail, which really does explain the arguably bitter left wing mindset.

It's not that we want his policies to fail, we just don't want his policies.
Often with policies like those being floated, there is no foresight or critical thinking about what the logical conclusion of such a policy would be. Just in the moment, knee-jerk 'legislating".
When/if a bad policy fails, it can be worse than if it were to succeed.

 

[sploo]

It's not that we want his policies to fail, we just don't want his policies.
Often with policies like those being floated, there is no foresight or critical thinking about what the logical conclusion of such a policy would be. Just in the moment, knee-jerk 'legislating".
When/if a bad policy fails, it can be worse than if it were to succeed.

Exactly. Same issue for Brexit; I would have been very surprised if it'd have "worked" but it would have been great to have been wrong. Sadly, as predicted by basically anyone that knew anything about international law or trade, it's been (and continues to be) a clown show. There's no point in posting some of the details of the issues (delays at ports, negative impact to the UK economy etc), because we've long established that facts and evidence don't matter in that discussion.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Exactly. Same issue for Brexit; I would have been very surprised if it'd have "worked" but it would have been great to have been wrong. Sadly, as predicted by basically anyone that knew anything about international law or trade, it's been (and continues to be) a clown show. There's no point in posting some of the details of the issues (delays at ports, negative impact to the UK economy etc), because we've long established that facts and evidence don't matter in that discussion.

I'd also add that the *people who pointed out that Brexit was so very clearly obviously going to fail* do not wield any power to make it fail.
Saying that it is those people's fault that Brexit is a failure is so clearly absurd it is beyond preposterous.
Not unlike Liz Truss telling her compliant media that "it was the lefties what stopped my policies working." Deluded beyond belief.

To be clear, neither you nor I nor all of the 48% together combined can do anything to sway the balance of success either way. (Actually I'm not a 48%er but you get the point...)
It's like saying that" wishing things better" will make it so. That mentality is for the birds.

 

[RobinBHM]

you clearly WANT Trump and his policies to fail

That’s because the people of the USA will be better off if his policies fail.


Trumps policies are designed to damage democracy, ramp up hatred and division, he wants to enact cruel policies on immigrants, he will cut taxes for the rich increasing wealth inequality.

They wanted Brexit to fail

Brexit massively increased non tariff barriers with our largest and nearest trade partner, you can’t turn self imposed trade sanctions into a benefit

 

[Spectric]

To deal with climate change we need to end "growth" on very many fronts. Growth is the main cause.

Growth may have some impact but greed has an even bigger one along with our materialistic lifestyles. The only way to fix climate change would be to turn the clocks back to when we lived much simpler lives and valued our possesions, now we have far to much choice in a throwaway society.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Growth may have some impact but greed has an even bigger one along with our materialistic lifestyles. The only way to fix climate change would be to turn the clocks back to when we lived much simpler lives and valued our possesions, now we have far to much choice in a throwaway society.

Plastic being one of those materialistic, consume, then throw away, extremely problematic items...

 

[woodieallen]

...
So the import subsidies just mitigate the subsidy at source.
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Not that simple. Suggest you read this...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20myx1erl6o

Bottom line...last time round it was US consumers who picked u p the tab