US Election November 5th

[Spectric]

They are both bad in different ways but Harris is not going to solve american issues by going round and baring her teeth at everyone and giggling, this will come down to the same choices we had in the Uk and that is not what we have had, anything else has to be better which seems to have been a bad move as we will all be finding out soon.

 

[spanner48]

I think it's high time we started arguing about this again.

Trump good - Harris bad.
Harris good - Trump bad.
And so on.

How about: Harris mediocre – Trump bad. ?

 

[Rewound]

I don't want Trump to throw Ukraine under the bus, and likewise I din't want harris to throw israel under that bus.

Either is not good. As usual choice of least worst

Harris is probably less worse than Trump

but think Trump will win.

***** state of affairs

 

[RobinBHM]

Harris is not going to solve american issues by going round and baring her teeth at everyone and giggling

are you choosing to make personal attacks because you are tribally right wing and Democrats are ostensibly your "enemy"?

I hate to say it but Kamala Harris does have policies so maybe it would be those that will help to solve American issues, maybe you could focus on them

which seems to have been a bad move as we will all be finding out soon.

I think you might be getting over excited, the Labour govt will turn out fine, but we wont know for 3 or 4 years if that

Its gonna take quite a bit of time to undo the damage of the last 14 years and the ongoing damage of brexit.

What this country needs is to ditch the neo liberal free market policies and reverse the terrible privatisation of al our infrastructure and services.........sadly Labour cant / wont do that

 

[mudman]

are you choosing to make personal attacks because you are tribally right wing and Democrats are ostensibly your "enemy"?

Really? Is that your answer? How about addressing the perception that all she is able to do is smile inanely and giggle? Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

I hate to say it but Kamala Harris does have policies so maybe it would be those that will help to solve American issues, maybe you could focus on them

Then why can't she answer with a nice succinct summary of what they are when asked rather than resorting to some incoherent word salad?
I suspect that there are policies but that they aren't hers per se.

I think you might be getting over excited, the Labour govt will turn out fine, but we wont know for 3 or 4 years if that

Its gonna take quite a bit of time to undo the damage of the last 14 years and the ongoing damage of brexit.

What this country needs is to ditch the neo liberal free market policies and reverse the terrible privatisation of al our infrastructure and services.........sadly Labour cant / wont do that

Is that you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best?

 

[Agent_zed]

Really? Is that your answer? How about addressing the perception that all she is able to do is smile inanely and giggle? Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?


Then why can't she answer with a nice succinct summary of what they are when asked rather than resorting to some incoherent word salad?
I suspect that there are policies but that they aren't hers per se.


Is that you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best?

Trump literally danced for 38mins after kind of answering 5 questions and you think Harris is the one with problems?

You think Harris can't answer a question with a nice succinct summary? I can't even understand most of the insane rambling of Trump, and when he does manage to put some words together they are normally vague or contradicting other things he's said depending on who he is speaking at. Many of his words aren't even actual words, as he can barely speak properly any more. I'm surprised all his dictator friends can understand what he is on about.

As for Trumps policies what exactly are they?

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

Let her answer.



“I think it’s very important for us at every moment in time, and certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist and are present, and to be able to contextualise it, to understand where we exist in the history and in the moment as it relates not only to the past but the future.”

 

[RobinBHM]

How about addressing the perception that all she is able to do is smile inanely and giggle

You mean a perception put out by the right wing media and believed by right wing supporters?

Are you right wing? I’d guess yes…..

I can very easily address it, here is Kamala Harris in a parliamentary committee challenging senator Barr

Please point out where she is smiling inanely or giggling

 

[Spectric]

are you choosing to make personal attacks because you are tribally right wing and Democrats are ostensibly your "enemy"?

No it is just an observation from seeing her on Tv, it is probably some nervous habbit.

Is that you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best?

That is blind loyality where the masters can do no wrong no mater what they inflict on there subjects.

 

[mudman]

Trump literally danced for 38mins after kind of answering 5 questions and you think Harris is the one with problems?

You think Harris can't answer a question with a nice succinct summary? I can't even understand most of the insane rambling of Trump, and when he does manage to put some words together they are normally vague or contradicting other things he's said depending on who he is speaking at. Many of his words aren't even actual words, as he can barely speak properly any more. I'm surprised all his dictator friends can understand what he is on about.

As for Trumps policies what exactly are they?

Where did I mention Trump? Trump might be a major arsehole or the best thing next to the second coming but the observation was about Harris and public perceptions of her.
So, I'll ignore the whataboutery and ask you as well, do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

 

[Agent_zed]

Where did I mention Trump? Trump might be a major pineapple or the best thing next to the second coming but the observation was about Harris and public perceptions of her.
So, I'll ignore the whataboutery and ask you as well, do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

It's a choice between 2 people becoming the President of the United States of America, the most powerful nation in the world with real world consequences for more than just the US, in particular Ukraine and therefore Europe.

Pretending that you can discuss your perceived failings of one of them whilst ignoring the other is somewhat disingenuous. It is also a somewhat weird concept to ask if someone is a good debater, but not allow you to compare them to the person they are debating.

Is she an effective debater - Yes, she completely dominated Trump in the last debate to the point he refused to debate again.

 

[RobinBHM]

Is that you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best?

I look in detail at their legislative agenda set out in the Kings speech and their manifesto, I dont get distracted by trivial new cycle stuff like Taylor Swift tickets

I personally dont think Labour are great, but at least they are doing what governments are meant to do: governing.

The last administration were right wing populists and policies were chosen by media headlines, culture war distractions and using inflammatory language ti ramp up hatred against foreigners..............Trump is a right wing populist and he does exactly the same


business leaders also seem to think Labour govt arent too terrible either, so its not just me

Britain is ready for investment, say big banks and companies​

In a letter to The Times, lenders, private equity giants, insurers and tech groups say that Britain’s greater stability has increased its attractiveness
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politic...estment-say-big-banks-and-companies-v5p6h7ct7


You might not like it but the economy currently is the legacy from the last govt and we wont know whether Labour have achieved anything for 3 or 4 years....so Im sure we can come back then and discuss it

That is blind loyality where the masters can do no wrong no mater what they inflict on there subjects.

I do not believe "Labour can do no wrong", in fact I dont think they are very good, they need to move from the constraints they set themselves to win power and they need to make bold moves to improve this country.

Labour have made a very silly mistake on dropping the winter fuel allowance without doing an impact assessment and making sure they dont make those in need suffering.

But they are at least a government in power doing the serious business of governing

the last administration were governing by Daily Mail headlines, thats what you get when you put Boris Johnson a journalist into power, you get the Rwanda scheme, you get inflammatory language against foreigners, you get phoney culture wars.

 

[RobinBHM]

No it is just an observation from seeing her on Tv, it is probably some nervous habbit

I dont quite understand why you think her smile and giggling is what you use as a measure of how she would help the American people

Do you not think it would be better to measure what she will do for the people based on her policies?

 

[RobinBHM]

Let her answer.



“I think it’s very important for us at every moment in time, and certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist and are present, and to be able to contextualise it, to understand where we exist in the history and in the moment as it relates not only to the past but the future.”

yes Kamala Harris has got herself caught up in word salads, everybody has to learn and has off days

but youve cherry picked one example, it doesnt prove she cant be an effective debater or leader

was her whole interview like that? -I doubt it

what did you make of her debate against Trump?

here is an example of Kamala Harris interrogating

 

[mudman]

You mean a perception put out by the right wing media and believed by right wing supporters?

Are you right wing? I’d guess yes…..

I can very easily address it, here is Kamala Harris in a parliamentary committee challenging senator Barr

Please point out where she is smiling inanely or giggling

So you had to go back five years to find a clip where she is able to drive the conversation from a pre-prepared script. Now find one where she performs adequately to a question.
Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

And am I right wing? Maybe maybe not. I agree with a lot of what you would call left wing ideology, even some of Corbyn's and also with a lot of right wing. I also really disagree with a lot of both sides. Maybe I'm a centrist but I don't like sitting on the fence. But then you meant that as a subtle insult didn't you?

 

[mudman]

yes Kamala Harris has got herself caught up in word salads, everybody has to learn and has off days

but youve cherry picked one example, it doesnt prove she cant be an effective debater or leader

was her whole interview like that? -I doubt it

what did you make of her debate against Trump?

here is an example of Kamala Harris interrogating

Again you show examples of her asking questions from a piece of paper in front of her. Doesn't really help your case does it?
Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

 

[RobinBHM]

So you had to go back five years to find a clip where she is able to drive the conversation from a pre-prepared script

its not a pre prepared script

its a live interview

I didnt "have to go back 5 years" I just picked an example.

Now find one where she performs adequately to a question

the Trump Harris debate

clear concise answers

Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

Objectively she is not bad.

erudite -yes

effective debater -yes not bad

Again you show examples of her asking questions from a piece of paper in front of her.

strawman argument

Its normal for lawyers to use notes, she is not asking questions from a piece of paper in front of her

She is doing a live interrogation and her responses to push for answers are not scripted at all, it is clear that Kamala Harris is quick thinking under pressure.


It seems you are doubling down now rather than admitting Kamala Harris is actually perfectly capable

 

[Jake]

Do you find her erudite and an effective debater?

Now do Trump.

 

[Croolis]

I mean, let's face it, if you think Trump is going to be a better option than Harris for government you probably need your head flushed out, whether you're left leaning or the other. Policy, personal competency, chances of corruption and simply supporting the democratic establishment. All favour Harris.

As for being able to debate - I'm not going to check because I most definitely cannot be bothered, but I believe she was some kind of senior figure in the judiciary and a lawyer, so I imagine she probably can.

I know that Trump can't.

 

[mudman]

its not a pre prepared script

its a live interview

I didnt "have to go back 5 years" I just picked an example.

She was reading from a piece of paper. A pre-prepared piece of paper with her question on it.
It wasn't an interview unless you have some strange definition of the word. Actually, that's quite likely, you probably do.
But you went back five years, so find something more recent.

the Trump Harris debate

clear concise answers


Objectively she is not bad.

erudite -yes

effective debater -yes not bad

Trump's odds of winning suffered badly for his performance in that debate. Maybe she got lucky or had a good night's sleep but her performance since then has been reflected in the odds reversing markedly with Trump no odds-on to win, purely because of her performance in front of cameras. If she was erudite, she would be able to answer the questions effectively, from what I have seen, it suggests otherwise.

strawman argument

Its normal for lawyers to use notes, she is not asking questions from a piece of paper in front of her

She is doing a live interrogation and her responses to push for answers are not scripted at all, it is clear that Kamala Harris is quick thinking under pressure.


It seems you are doubling down now rather than admitting Kamala Harris is actually perfectly capable

That wasn't an argument, it was me pointing out that your argument in support of your position was invalid due to the evidence you presented.
Agreed, it is normal for lawyers to use notes, it is not normal in a live interview. Her pushing for answers tended to be not allowing a meaningful response.
I don't need to double down. The more you argue, the worse she seems.